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Unread postby nekonoko » Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:05 pm

choza wrote:OUCH!
so Octane will not work? :(


No, I've never been able to get either Octane or O2 to work properly. With a Fuel, using the same card and same software it works right away.

From hinv:

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IIDC Video Camera: unit 0, revision 1.30, connected to DM10, unit 0


From fwprobe: (no hack needed)

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 Probing DM10 cards...
Number of cards: 1
Card Info
=========
Card #: 0
Name  : DM10
ID    : 0x0
Ports : 3
Speed : 400 / 400

2 devices attached
Device 0: 0x0
  Vendor: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
   Model: DMediaPro DM10
   Proto: HBA
Device 1: 0x50C24000000043
  Vendor: Global Media Group
   Model: iREZ
   Proto: IIDC


And a screenshot in action here.
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Unread postby zafunk » Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:52 pm

nekonoko wrote:From fwprobe: (no hack needed)


Hmmm... I think the price of Fuel is about to go up :D

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Unread postby hamei » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:05 pm

nekonoko wrote:
choza wrote:OUCH!
so Octane will not work? :(


No, I've never been able to get either Octane or O2 to work properly. With a Fuel, using the same card and same software it works right away.

From fwprobe: (no hack needed)

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 Probing DM10 cards...
Number of cards: 1

Card Info
=========
Card #: 0
Name  : DM10
ID    : 0x0
Ports : 3
Speed : 400 / 400

2 devices attached
Device 0: 0x0
  Vendor: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
   Model: DMediaPro DM10
   Proto: HBA
Device 1: 0x50C24000000043
  Vendor: Global Media Group
   Model: iREZ
   Proto: IIDC


The Octane never did that ? Oh.

Now for the real test. Do you have a firewire DVD-writer or CD-writer ? That's the one that's been ultra-problematic for most people. Due to evil reports I've never been willing to splurge for an external unit but maybe I should have :oops:

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Unread postby GeneratriX » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:59 pm

hamei wrote:Now for the real test. Do you have a firewire DVD-writer or CD-writer ? That's the one that's been ultra-problematic for most people.


Oh!; and you could want to try some AV/C device, as any firewire camcorder; then if you have success there, since I'm officially sticky to the O2 line, I just could want to start to plain officially my hara-kiri! :P :lol:

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Unread postby hamei » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:29 pm

GeneratriX wrote: Oh!; and you could want to try some AV/C device, as any firewire camcorder; then if you have success there, since I'm officially sticky to the O2 line, I just could want to start to plain officially my hara-kiri! :P :lol:

The whole video thingy is kinda outside my experience but there are a few different standards ? The SGI firewire video only works with one protocol, I thought ? All firewire-equipped camcorders use that same protocol ?

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Unread postby GeneratriX » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:07 pm

hamei wrote:
GeneratriX wrote: Oh!; and you could want to try some AV/C device, as any firewire camcorder; then if you have success there, since I'm officially sticky to the O2 line, I just could want to start to plain officially my hara-kiri! :P :lol:

The whole video thingy is kinda outside my experience but there are a few different standards ? The SGI firewire video only works with one protocol, I thought ? All firewire-equipped camcorders use that same protocol ?


IIDC/DCAM: Uncompressed video without audio over firewire, mainly used for industrial cameras

AV/C: Compressed video (internally to 5:1 by mean of the camera DSP) with audio over firewire, mainly used for consumer market camcorders

The first generation of DM10 uses only the first one. The second generation of DM10 software uses both protocols, but AV/C stills in alpha/beta mode, and only works with a few devices. Maybe Neko could try with an ADS Tech Pyro A/V Link (one of the few officially supported AV/C devices), but no luck from Squeen, and in fact not for me when tried with the built-in 6.5.27 support for DM10.

I think Squeen has the second generation drivers, but no luck putting to work the Pyro toy; I don't have the second generation DM10 software, so, only tried with a plain install of 6.5.27, and alternatively with the first gen drivers...

I hope this will clear up the things a little bit! ;)
...But summarizing, a really basic try-out could be just trying to hook up any i-Link/Firewire camcorder device to the Fuel, and see what happens... 99.99% camcorders are AV/C devices. I have pretty handy all the needed parts, excepting the Fuel, and second gen drivers for DM10... :(

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Unread postby loonvf » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:46 am

Hi Neko,

This sounds great !
Plaease test this also with a standard AV/C compatible firewire camcorder.

I have done so much testing on O2 and Octane without much results.

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Unread postby nekonoko » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:35 pm

loonvf wrote:Hi Neko,

This sounds great !
Plaease test this also with a standard AV/C compatible firewire camcorder.

I have done so much testing on O2 and Octane without much results.


It works - only issue I saw was that the video is backwards using the avc_vidtogfx test program. I'm sure that could be easily corrected if one were to write some capture software using the toolkit.

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[Mai:~] neko 1% fwprobe
Probing DM10 cards...
Number of cards: 1
Card Info
=========
Card #: 0
Name  : DM10
ID    : 0x0
Ports : 3
Speed : 400 / 400

3 devices attached
Device 0: 0x0
  Vendor: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
   Model: DMediaPro DM10
   Proto: HBA
Device 1: 0x50C24000000043
  Vendor: Global Media Group
   Model: iREZ
   Proto: IIDC
Device 2: 0x800460101940911
  Vendor: SONY CORPORATION LTD.
   Model: DCR-TRV103
   Proto: AV/C


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[Mai:~] neko 24% mlquery

         SYSTEM: Mai.nekochan.net

        DEVICES:
                 dv-deck:0
                 iidc-camera:0
                 nullXcode:0


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AV/C Video: unit 0, revision 7.4, connected to DM10, unit 0


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[Mai:~] neko 25% /usr/share/src/dmedia/video/avc/avc_vidtogfx -d dv-deck -b 10 -c 0
Input Timing Present = ML_TIMING_525


Results(this is from a tape).
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Unread postby GeneratriX » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:39 pm

nekonoko wrote:It works - only issue I saw was that the video is backwards using the avc_vidtogfx test program. I'm sure that could be easily corrected if one were to write some capture software using the toolkit.


Now everything starts having more sense with DM10 clones... the Fuel becomes more interesting to my eyes each minute. Congrats by such a nice buy with these Fuel, Pete! ;)

P.S.: by the way; are you using a generic TI based board, right? ...Not the original DM10 there I guess...

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Unread postby nekonoko » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:46 pm

GeneratriX wrote: P.S.: by the way; are you using a generic TI based board, right? ...Not the original DM10 there I guess...


Yep, it's just one of those red Adaptec 4300s - nothing special.
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Unread postby GeneratriX » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:56 pm

nekonoko wrote:
GeneratriX wrote: P.S.: by the way; are you using a generic TI based board, right? ...Not the original DM10 there I guess...


Yep, it's just one of those red Adaptec 4300s - nothing special.


Cool; I have one of thoses and a couple other TI based firewire boards from my experiments with O2 boxes, now I only need a Fuel! :D
...Also, I've noticed that you have the 'avc' directory under '/usr/share/src/dmedia/video/', I guess this comes from the newer DM10 beta software, right?

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Unread postby loonvf » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:38 am

Hi Neko,

Because you run this DM10 card on a Fuel IP35 I would like to know the following:
Which version of IRIX?
Which version of DM10 software?
You did not have to hack anything right?
do you get the library /hw/firewire automatically?

Thanks in advance,

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Unread postby hamei » Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:18 am

loonvf wrote:Which version of IRIX?
Which version of DM10 software?
You did not have to hack anything right?
do you get the library /hw/firewire automatically?


loonvf - here's another checkpoint :

Fuel
Irix 6.5.21
DM 10 from SGI installed and that's all, no hacks cracks or funny business
no-name red firewire card with TI chip - not even an Adaptec, just a generic card
nothing attached at present but

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fewel 5# fewel 2% fwprobe
Probing DM10 cards...
Number of cards: 1
Card Info
=========
Card #: 0
Name  : DM10
ID    : 0x0
Ports : 3
Speed : 400 / 400

1 devices attached
Device 0: 0x0
  Vendor: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
   Model: Unknown
   Proto: Unknown


Under /hw/firewire is indeed a directory link named 0 to /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/15/pci/ohci/0
inside that directory is a pipe called bus and one directory named glue plus one directory named iidc
inside glue is glue0 (a drippy pipe)
inside iidc is nothing, but that probably changes if you plug anything into a port.

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Unread postby loonvf » Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:38 am

Hello Hamei,

You are a Fuel owner too right?
So I asume that these answers on my questions come directly from you and your Fuel?

You have 6.5.21 up and running with a standard TI firewire card now?

Did you also try to hook up an AVC digital video camcorder?

Please let me know.

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Unread postby hamei » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:23 am

loonvf wrote:You are a Fuel owner too right?

First anniversary next week. How time flies when you're having fun ....
So I asume that these answers on my questions come directly from you and your Fuel?

Yes.
You have 6.5.21 up and running with a standard TI firewire card now?

Yes. Well, I don't know how standard the card is. I suspect it's a backdoor Adaptec but can't be sure. Cost $ 6.40 but there aren't any more to be had from that store or I'da stocked up :)
Did you also try to hook up an AVC digital video camcorder?

Alas, no camcorder here :-( I've plugged in a hard drive or two and they seem to work. After reading all the negative results here I didn't put much effort into the videocam thing but maybe now will give it a try.
Please let me know

To tell you the truth, what I was most interested in was getting a firewire DVD burner to work but maybe I'll spring for a critter or an iSweet camera now. I would expect neko to have one of those spiffy-looking Apple firewire webcams to test, too.


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