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Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby shuveb » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:49 pm

Hello,

I've been having an Indy with me for 10 years or so. It has an R4600. I bought 2 adaptors from eBay to make a VGA display work with it, but since neither of them worked, I installed Debian on it and used it via it's serial port. :(

I want to restore it to it's past glory. I want to play around with IRIX. I took a chance and ordered yet another 13W3 to VGA adaptor. The vendor on eBay swears that a sync-on-green monitor is not required.

Assuming I get lucky the 3rd time around and get the video working, I see that the Indy has proprietary keyboard and mouse connectors. Is there a way to get a USB keyboard and mouse pair to work with my Indy? If not, what is the best way to get a keyboard and mouse working?

TIA!

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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby vince gebardi » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:57 pm

shuveb wrote:Assuming I get lucky the 3rd time around and get the video working

graphics graphics G R A P H I C S GRAPHICS !!! gol darn it :evil:

Keyboard and mouse are ps/2.

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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby Irinikus » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:24 am

shuveb wrote:I took a chance and ordered yet another 13W3 to VGA adaptor. The vendor on eBay swears that a sync-on-green monitor is not required.


I'm afraid that you are going to require a monitor that syncs on green (SOG) to get graphics from your Indy.

Here is a link which shows monitor compatibility with SGI machines: http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/Monitors_on_SGI_Machines

The mouse and keyboard requirements for the Indy are PS/2.

I personally use a Dell PS/2 keyboard and an original Microsoft Natural PS/2 mouse with my SGI machines, and they work well for me.
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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby shuveb » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:37 am

vince gebardi wrote:
shuveb wrote:Assuming I get lucky the 3rd time around and get the video working

graphics graphics G R A P H I C S GRAPHICS !!! gol darn it :evil:


Oh, looks like that was a newbie faux paus! Will remember that!

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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby shuveb » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:39 am

Irinikus wrote:Here is a link which shows monitor compatibility with SGI machines: http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/Monitors_on_SGI_Machines

The mouse and keyboard requirements for the Indy are PS/2.


Lovely! Thank for pointing me to the right resources. This is such a lovely community! :)

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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby tomvos » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:14 am

Is there a way to get a USB keyboard and mouse pair to work with my Indy? If not, what is the best way to get a keyboard and mouse working?


I'm using an USB->PS/2 adapter which was bundled with a cheap logitech mouse. It looks like this green thingy here:

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I don't know about the keyboard, but since these adapters are so cheap, why not give it a try?
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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby uunix » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:28 am

If you want to restore it to its former glory, then you really want the granite Silicon Graphics keyboard and mouse. Regardless of what lazy game reviews says, these are nice clicky keyboards and aphetically pleasing. The INDY is of course as mentioned simple PS/2 compatible, but there's nothing like having the right parts.
I'd check out dealers like Ian Mapleson, who still have brand new in the box stock (depending on country code). Since the Keyboard/mouse/Screen are 99% of your interaction with the machine, it's worth the price, and reusable should you wish to move up a model or two.
The granite keyboards are imho much nicer than the latter black coloured keyboards, that feel soft and wishy-washy.
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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby Trippynet » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:23 am

I agree with uunix on this. I have the later granite keyboard and mouse, and its definitely the nicest way to interact with your SGI!
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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby Irinikus » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:28 am

I agree, the Indy looks best with an original, huge SGI CRT sitting on top, and a granite SGI keyboard and mouse attached!
:Onyx2:Quad R14K 500MHz, IR3, DG5-8 :Tezro:Quad R16K 700MHz, 8MB, V12, DCD, DM3 :Octane2:Dual R14K 600MHz, PCI Card Cage, V12 :320:Dual 1GHz PIII
:O2:R12K 400MHz, DCD :Indigo:R4400SC 150MHz, ELAN :Indigo2:R4400SC 200MHz, Extreme :Indy:R4400SC 200MHz, XZ :Indy:R5000SC 150MHz, 24Bit XL.
SUN: JavaStation-10 (Krups), XVR-4000.
DEC: AlphaStation 255/300MHz.
Cray: Cray1: Memory Module, Cray2: Memory Module (complete stack of eight boards) and a power supply module, Cray3: ECL Module.
Apple: G3 Clamshell, G4 Sawtooth, G4 Quicksilver, G4 Mirror Doors, G5, Mac Pro 2013 (Trash can), 27 inch Cinema Display.
IBM: 486 DX-4 100MHz, 32Mb RAM, Creative Soundblaster 16-Bit, 1.44 Mb Disk drive, Creative 4X CD-ROM, 520Mb HDD.
Alienware: Aurora 7500.
Gaming Rig: Coolermaster Cosmos II, Coolermaster Ultimate 1100W Power supply, Asus Rampage III extreme, I7 980X, Corsair H100, 24Gb Corsair Dominator DDR3, EVGA GTX Titan X Super Clocked Edition, OCZ revodrive 3 x2 240gb, Velociraptor 600GB, Corsair 128GB SSD, Creative X-fi Fatality Pro.

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Re: Keyboard and mouse advice

Unread postby shuveb » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:15 pm

Thank you, tomvos. Good to know that kinda setup works. It looks like the easiest way.

uunix, I wish I could buy the original keyboard and mouse, but the thing is, shipping them to where I live (India) will usually turn out more expensive than the items themselves.


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