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Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby paulfred » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:11 pm

My C8000 is one of my favourite workstations because it's incredibly quiet. Unfortunately I don't even know where I should start to find software for HP-UX. There must be something out there to run on that system, right? It feels a little wrong to just use it as an obsolete Firefox station.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby robespierre » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:49 pm

something about the culture of HP shops was to develop and release less free software than (e.g.) SGI shops. But there were many universities running it, so software should exist somewhere in the sands of time.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:59 am

I like the quietness of my C8000 too, but I have the same problem, and it uses almost as much juice as the quad G5 next to it.

I need to try to get Firefox and a few other things running on it, but the Sexy Alpha Cat is now occupying that space.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby Alver » Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:17 pm

What exactly do you want to run on it? I (used to) have a large pkgsrc install on it - HP-UX 11.11 is a pretty easy-going target for that. Had a more-modern-than-CDE desktop (fluxbox, iirc xfce as well), gimp, some games, etcetera. Firefox is a total pain to build due to its use of ASM (and the fact that it requires a frankenstein gcc/aCC build chain to even work) so I stuck with the HP provided ancient 3.5.9. But yes, it is a really, really nice box.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:10 am

I should get it out and get pkgsrc up on it.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby Krokodil » Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:12 pm

Unfortunately that's the dilemma with many of these machines is that finding software for them is very difficult or impossible.

It seems to be particularly problematic with Tru64, VMS, HP-UX, AIX.

IRIX/SGI is one of the best systems for a hobbyist to have.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby Alver » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:04 am

Krokodil wrote:Unfortunately that's the dilemma with many of these machines is that finding software for them is very difficult or impossible.

It seems to be particularly problematic with Tru64, VMS, HP-UX, AIX.

IRIX/SGI is one of the best systems for a hobbyist to have.

... why? I don't see how it's any more or less problematic. All four are proprietary, all four require licenses, and all four require you to build stuff (or use stuff others have built).
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby foetz » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:57 am

Alver wrote:
Krokodil wrote:Unfortunately that's the dilemma with many of these machines is that finding software for them is very difficult or impossible.

It seems to be particularly problematic with Tru64, VMS, HP-UX, AIX.

... why? I don't see how it's any more or less problematic.

simply because sgi was more popular for desktop use hence in comparison there's more available

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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby Krokodil » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:08 pm

foetz wrote:
Alver wrote:
Krokodil wrote:Unfortunately that's the dilemma with many of these machines is that finding software for them is very difficult or impossible.

It seems to be particularly problematic with Tru64, VMS, HP-UX, AIX.

... why? I don't see how it's any more or less problematic.

simply because sgi was more popular for desktop use hence in comparison there's more available


^This

I looked at the freeware for AIX, pretty sparse. I looked at the freeware for Tru64 - pretty sparse. I don't have HP-UX, but I doubt it's any better and although there is some nice modern freeware for VMS, trying to gather and organize it for compiling is a huge pita.

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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby foetz » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:07 pm

Krokodil wrote:I don't have HP-UX, but I doubt it's any better

it is, a lot actually: http://hpux.connect.org.uk

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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby uunix » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:17 pm

We used to use a product called MUMPS (database type language) on HP years back, I have a zillion DDS 3 (or 4) tapes for them in the shed. I don't know if MUMPS still exists, I suppose it must as it was used in a lot of hospitals over here.

I'll have to have a look at the copyright and if I can get anything off the tapes.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby Krokodil » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:06 pm

foetz wrote:
Krokodil wrote:I don't have HP-UX, but I doubt it's any better

it is, a lot actually: http://hpux.connect.org.uk


I guess there is value in PA-RISC after all. Have to look into that.

uunix wrote:We used to use a product called MUMPS (database type language) on HP years back, I have a zillion DDS 3 (or 4) tapes for them in the shed. I don't know if MUMPS still exists, I suppose it must as it was used in a lot of hospitals over here.

I'll have to have a look at the copyright and if I can get anything off the tapes.


It now exists as InterSystems Caché and Gt.M and is still in wide use.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby SAQ » Sun May 01, 2016 9:27 am

foetz wrote:simply because sgi was more popular for desktop use hence in comparison there's more available


+ the cool factor. SGIs were (and are) "cool", so it's easier to maintain a hobbyist community to go to the work of porting, packaging and maintaining a software repository.

OpenVMS has some, although update frequency isn't as often as Nekoware. Solaris used to have a lot, until Oracle went Oracle on Solaris (but OpenCSW is still around). DEC Unixes likely suffer from BSDitis - NetBSD has an excellent selection of software, and (especially for VAX) BSD is historically considered to be "the UNIX" for DEC. Note that that is pretty much "science by Aristotle" (go into a closet, ponder something for a bit, come out and make a big pronouncement without any verification first), so don't give it too much credence.

AIX is IBM, and IBM is, well, IBM, so don't expect too much there. It's better than OS/400/i or the mainframe OSes, so be happy, I suppose... Groupe Bull still has their freeware collection at http://www.bullfreeware.com/, which is targeted more towards servers (naturally), but exists and is kept updated.

I know of nothing for SunOS 4 or Tru64.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby commodorejohn » Sun May 01, 2016 1:16 pm

paulfred wrote:My C8000 is one of my favourite workstations because it's incredibly quiet. Unfortunately I don't even know where I should start to find software for HP-UX. There must be something out there to run on that system, right? It feels a little wrong to just use it as an obsolete Firefox station.

You could always pursue the time-honored desktop-Unix tradition of modelling spaceships in POV-RAY.
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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Unread postby Krokodil » Tue May 03, 2016 11:47 am

SAQ wrote:
foetz wrote:simply because sgi was more popular for desktop use hence in comparison there's more available


+ the cool factor. SGIs were (and are) "cool", so it's easier to maintain a hobbyist community to go to the work of porting, packaging and maintaining a software repository.

OpenVMS has some, although update frequency isn't as often as Nekoware. Solaris used to have a lot, until Oracle went Oracle on Solaris (but OpenCSW is still around). DEC Unixes likely suffer from BSDitis - NetBSD has an excellent selection of software, and (especially for VAX) BSD is historically considered to be "the UNIX" for DEC. Note that that is pretty much "science by Aristotle" (go into a closet, ponder something for a bit, come out and make a big pronouncement without any verification first), so don't give it too much credence.

AIX is IBM, and IBM is, well, IBM, so don't expect too much there. It's better than OS/400/i or the mainframe OSes, so be happy, I suppose... Groupe Bull still has their freeware collection at http://www.bullfreeware.com/, which is targeted more towards servers (naturally), but exists and is kept updated.

I know of nothing for SunOS 4 or Tru64.


SGI is by the far the best, only Solaris comes close for hobbyist purposes.

OpenVMS is weak, alot of the software is rotten and there is one site with some software of interest that is modern, but trying to organize it all to get it working is hugely annoying, mainly because of DCL's inefficiencies. I got some of it working. The lack of instructions, dependency hell and stupid FTP credentials in the address bar makes it very hard to work with as well.

AIX freeware seems to be pretty sparse

Tru64 is pretty sparse too.

Surprisingly HP-sUX(lol) seems to have quite a bit of freeware for it.
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