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VAXstation rides again

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:38 pm

Well, a "new" VAXstation 3100 M76 with SPX came. This one also showed the same NIC problem as the other one, which seemed fishy. Turned out to be a bad cable, so now I wonder what could be wrong with the original one. I'm now guessing RAM.

Never mind, because this baby has 32MB of RAM and boots beautifully. It's running OpenVMS 6.2-Y2K, so it's a little old, but it has a full stack of licenses including C! (unfortunately set to expire sometime in 2015, so I'll just never set the clock right, I guess -- trying to find that ancient VAX build of gcc somewhere). It also came with a crapload of cables, an RRD with lots of caddies and a couple external SCSI drives and even a video cable, although I don't have a BNC monitor handy right now, so I set it to use the Solbourne S3000 as its console. After some fiddling, MultiNet comes up and I got Telnet running. DECwindows even works:

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Still got to root out all the places on the system where the old node name was. I can't find anything in SHOW LICENSE that says any of the licenses are node-locked; do any of you VMS nerds know how I can tell for sure?

It's a fun system. Glad to finally have a VAXstation that works (other than the VAXsta 100s mouldering in my storage unit which are free to a good home since I don't have a Unibus VAX).
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:41 pm

Oh, and does nobody at HP issue hobbyist licenses anymore for OpenVMS? Thank goodness this one came with a full set of its own licenses. I've submitted a request three times and no answer.
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby urbancamo » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:52 am

I've not had licenses through from a request put in last week, so you're not the only one.

Glad to hear you have a VAXstation running, it's always joyous to run the real thing!
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby smj » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:58 am

I think we would have heard blood curdling screams over in classiccmp is the hobbyist program were canceled. I found a reference to it as recently as October 2013, though I haven't found a reference explicitly stating that somebody just received their licenses.

What the heck, I'll go toss a registration at http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Hobbyist and see what happens...

Edit: Having stumbled across DECUServe.org, which looks a whole lot more like the old, "real" DECUS organization, I wonder if I goofed by giving my affiliation as being with the Connect organization. I've sent them email and will share the results.

Edit 2: Ah, looks like DECUServe took over the old DECUS/Encompass stuff, as they had my membership number correct but expired as of 2012. A quick renewal by telneting to decuserve.org with username REGISTRATION and my old account there active again...
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:42 am

I think we would have too, but thank goodness these licenses have no expiration date. Glad I'm not the only one who isn't getting joy from them; I was wondering if my E-mail server had gone pop.

I managed to find an appallingly old gcc 2.7.1. Haven't tried it yet, but it includes libiberty and all the bintools, so it should work. I'm tempted to see if VMS Mosaic will build; George swears it will work on a VAX.

On the node thing, is there an easy way to root out all the old references to the node name? If SHOW LICENSE /FULL shows no nodename locks or hardware ID locks, am I good to go?
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby mia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:59 am

You should run vaxlisp!
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby Alver » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:14 am

ClassicHasClass wrote:Oh, and does nobody at HP issue hobbyist licenses anymore for OpenVMS? Thank goodness this one came with a full set of its own licenses. I've submitted a request three times and no answer.


Quite odd. The hobbyist stuff is (almost?) exclusively handled by John Egolf (you can figure out his HP mail addy, I bet...) though, so if he's out for whatever reason... not sure who'll pick it up. I've received some new licenses about two weeks ago, if memory serves me right. In any ways, the program is still alive. :)
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:24 pm

mia wrote:You should run vaxlisp!


What's vaxlisp? (Don't say LISP that runs on a VAX, I'll hurt you. :twisted: )

Thanks, Alver. I might try direct contact if I can't get an answer, but so far I'm (mostly) happy with 6.2.
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby robespierre » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:14 pm

I know Franz ran on 4.2BSD, and there was NIL for VMS but I don't think it was ever released.
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Unread postby smj » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:51 pm

VAX LISP was the first Common Lisp written for non-Lispm's, according to Wikipedia. While according to that source it was later sold to Lucid, VAX LISP was a fully supported layered product from DEC back in the day.

Looks like somebody's got the VAX LISP v3.0 Implementation and Extensions to Common Lisp exposed to the 'net...

Somebody from my college came back a few years after he graduated to talk about the work he'd been doing at DEC, including an expert system for system configuration under OPS5. But until you prompted me to think about VAX LISP, I never even noticed there was an OPS5 page on Wikipedia let alone that it mentioned that work. Oh well.
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby robespierre » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:17 pm

so they patented unexec? how gauche.
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby SAQ » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:09 pm

I have yet to come across a VMS license that was truely "nodelocked" in the way that FLEXlm stuff is - for the most part LMF is just there to prevent casual overuse. There are instructions for how to do it in the LMF manual, but AFAIRecall there was also a "we don't recommend this" tag on there. Note that my experience is on mostly DEC programs, 3rd party may be different.

To follow the letter of the license agreement you'll still need to either register for hobbyist licenses (don't need to put the LMF licenses in, just get the acknowledgement from HP every year) or pay the transfer fee, which I think is in the $300-$500 range.
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:28 am

This is all DEC stuff, so it should work (with advisory noted). I'll look around for an LMF manual in PDF or something unless someone knows they have it handy.
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby tomvos » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:59 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:Oh, and does nobody at HP issue hobbyist licenses anymore for OpenVMS? Thank goodness this one came with a full set of its own licenses. I've submitted a request three times and no answer.


Did you receive any feedback from the hobbyist program yet? I recently aquired a VAXstation 4000 VLC and tried two times to get a hobbyist license OpenVMS PAK, but there was no reply.

Any news on this issue is appreciated.


(:update)
I followed the hint smj gave when pointing towards the classiccmp mailing list. Browsing the mailing list archive I found a thread which suggests to request the PAK from the following URL:

http://plato.ccsscorp.com/hobbyist_registration.php3

Only a few minutes later I received an e-mail with the PAK files. Perhaps this information will help others, too.
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Re: VAXstation rides again

Unread postby smj » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:24 pm

Indeed, and following the instructions in that response email I was able to download the latest (last? probably) package of OpenVMS and layered products* for Alpha. And for VAX, just because. Included ISOs, ZIPs, and tar.gz's of OpenVMS/AXP 8.4 and OpenVMS/VAX 7.3.


* DECspeak for anything installed after the OS, basically. DECnet, TCP/IP, DECwindows, compilers etc, DECwrite...
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