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Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:22 am 
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"Starting on November 13, 2011, Fix Central downloads are available only for to IBM clients or relations with hardware or software under warranty, maintenance contracts, or subscription and support." :?

IBM was the last commercial Unix vendor to introduce this restriction.

Download AIX patches while you can.

"There is a planned server outage on Sat, 12 Nov 2011 from 6:00 p.m. to Sun, 13 Nov 2:45 a.m. Central Standard Time (CST). Fix Central may be unavailable during this time."

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Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:54 pm 
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Well, this "accepted industry practice" rings a bell: http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=16724127

I think the "industry" is killing its own propietary hardware and software using these "practices".

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Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:24 pm 
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I think SGI (per their last official published policy) and OldSun had the right idea. Security patches always available, but restrict the other patches for a time to paying customers only. SGI of course had the "N-3" rule on overlays (later ignored), and Sun "offered" the patches to everyone the next time that Solaris was reved.

It kind of throws the argument for high-grade systems. Before it was "yes, you pay more up front, but then your ongoing costs are lower". Now that you have to pay many $$/year for "service" to get required updates everything needs to be recalculated. On a personal note I certainly haven't brought up things you can do with Solaris to anyone since Oracle changed to their $1k+/yr policy, which for a small business makes MS software cheaper after only a couple of years (though to be completely honest no one took me up on Solaris before - they were a bit leery of being stuck with something that required a "UNIX admin" to run rather than just the administrative assistant).

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Unread postPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:14 am 
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chatuser wrote:
I think the "industry" is killing its own propietary hardware and software using these "practices".


i could not care less about, since before all the open source zealots creeped out of their sh*tholes and expected everything for free, it was well known practice that one have to pay for support.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:26 pm 
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open source <> no cost software
free patches <> free support

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Unread postPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:18 pm 
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yetanother**ixuser wrote:
chatuser wrote:
I think the "industry" is killing its own propietary hardware and software using these "practices".


i could not care less about, since before all the open source zealots creeped out of their sh*tholes and expected everything for free, it was well known practice that one have to pay for support.


That's a very poor predicate.

On the contrary, people have been very conditioned to abysmal quality in software and even firmware. Patches are due diligence by the manufacturer to correct their original negligence. There's no basis whatsoever for additional charges for patch access. I can't believe you are defending paying for bugs. Constructing a paywall to corrections of negligence is unethical. Patches aren't "support", they are admissions of error to the original contract. You get your money ethically on upgrades or real support (i.e. phone time, case engineer assignment, consulting, etc).

But I guess even mighty IBM no more believes in it. Sad :(. IBM was for the longest while the exception. If you had the gear, you're in the clear. You could phone up and get AIX for a $50 media charge.

These antics are precisely why businesses have moved to Linux in droves and the commercial UNIX space is a small niche for large corporations that have big enough necks to not get strangled. What they inadvertently do is hurt small and medium businesses that placed trust in the vendor and don't want to be pissed on time and again just to have to pay more money to get what they originally thought they purchased. They also hurt communities like this one that add value to platforms at no cost (for example the best Firefox build on AIX is done by a hobbyist).

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Unread postPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:56 pm 
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To start things off we need to be realistic. A build of Firefox, no matter how fantastic, adds little or no value to AIX for IBM. They sell servers, and servers don't really run Firefox. Case in point - how many "P"s have you bought direct from IBM? You care, sure, but most AIX users don't. And as far as "propping up the value of used POWER equipment and thus making them more attractive investments" - it doesn't work. IBM (along with most manufacturers) wouldn't mind in the least if the used equipment marketplace disappeared. To them it's only competition.

On the other hand there is a happy median. Look at MS - why do they give away so much software? Two reasons: first, if it's a market they're trying to move into or maintain a stranglehold on, and we can discount that. Neither IBM, nor Sun, nor HP Enterprise Systems are looking into moving into the hobbyist sector - there's no money in it. The second reason, the reason they've become so good about patch support (as well as the reason for MS Security Essentials), is because they have discovered that it looks really bad if they have lots of machines with bugs and exploits hanging around, providing fodder for bad news. It's this that so many "Enterprise" companies are forgetting. The chance of a major AIX botnet is small, but it does look bad. Provide security and "showstopper bug" patches free and you look good. I'm not sure about the medium-to-large business segment that IBM targets, but with the small companies I've worked with they tend to get service contracts for the essential software if they're affordable. Why? It's because they want to have someone to call up if there's a problem who can fix it. If they reserve other patches and the right to submit patch requests (provided they follow up on them) to paid service customers and then provide a sound pricing scheme they will get customers. They just need to show value.

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damn... that's really bad!

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I just downloaded AIX 7 TL1SP1. I don't really see the restriction...

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Maybe they thought better of it.

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SAQ wrote:
Maybe they thought better of it.

it seems they only postponed it
Starting January 31, 2012, each IBM client accessing Fix Central (whether through their employees or other authorized representatives) will be required to have an individual IBM ID to download fixes (some exemptions may apply). The registration is quick and simple and will provide users with a customized experience to better serve their needs. Fix Central downloads are available only for IBM clients with hardware or software under warranty, maintenance contracts, or subscription and support. Software code, samples, updates and fixes being accessed on this website (collectively, the Code) are subject to the terms of the license agreements which govern the use of the associated Code.


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Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:25 am 
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Maybe they thought better of it.

it seems they only postponed it

This is just another indication of how small-minded the idiot MBA's running our society truly are. Eventually their obssession with squeezing every centime possble out of anyone who comes within grabbing distance destroys the company. Goose, golden egg, all that.

As for those who claim it doesn't matter, real customers will not be inconvenienced and no one cares about hobbyists, verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


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it really doesn't matter for IBM ;)


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hamei wrote:
As for those who claim it doesn't matter, real customers will not be inconvenienced and no one cares about hobbyists, verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


I don't think anyone here necessarily thinks "it doesn't matter," indeed many points on this thread have been about how it may matter. IBM doesn't care, true, and that certainly is a offshoot of the short-term business focus now. Get as much as you can from those who are "locked in", then retire with a bonus. Heck, you don't even need to retire - companies are apparently leaping on you if you've failed at the likes of HP, IBM, or any other big-name outfit.

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