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Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:18 pm 
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Today I'm sorry to learn that DMR passed away this weekend. It's hard to overestimate his contributions.

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Here is a great two minute presentation of Unix with DMR himself:

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Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:51 pm 
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Today I'm sorry to learn that DMR passed away this weekend. It's hard to overestimate his contributions.


Yet you can expect that, unlike Steve Jobs, he won't get an obituary in the media. :x

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Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:56 am 
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dennis ritchie, a significant conrtibutor in unix/c is now history.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/13/dennis_ritchie/

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Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:55 am 
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Truly sad news, my condolences to his family and loved ones.

Many of us wouldn't be here without his contributions.

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My first year at college we did VAX/VMS Pascal, and I just wanted to be with all the cool kids programming in 'C' on Unix.
I have a little more perspective now, but I had a lot of fun time writing C, and as a systems programming language, if you exercise a little restraint, it rocks...

Dennis created something very special...

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Dennis created something very special...

RIP

Mark.


And linsux destroyed it. I still have two 9-track tapes from Bell Labs, one labeled UNIX Operating System 6th Edition and one labeled Mini Unix Operating System 6th Edition, both dated 2/19/82.

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Pontus wrote:
Today I'm sorry to learn that DMR passed away this weekend. It's hard to overestimate his contributions.


Yet you can expect that, unlike Steve Jobs, he won't get an obituary in the media. :x


Of course not. Olsen didn't, and the Woz probably won't . Steve was all about marketing.

Clark might get a mention because of Jurassic Park.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:13 am 
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If you consider the percentage of systems and devices out there that are either:
- Running an OS with heritage that goes back to the original UNIX
- Running an OS that is an independent reimplementation of the UNIX design
- Running some software written in C
he clearly had a far greater impact on modern computing than Jobs and most others.

So far, the only reference in mainstream media I've seen is the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15287391


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Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:05 am 
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Don't want to play down DMR in any way - quite to the contrary, without him there wouldn't probably even be Nekochan today. I bow to him for his co-development of Unix. However, regarding his C - sternly opposed to Backus, he did not liberate us from the von Neumann style of programming at all but actually drew us only deeper into that malstrom. Of course, thanks to him, nowadays about 90% or so of source code you can get is in C/C++. But that was never the right thing at all...

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Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:46 pm 
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That is a bit of a chicken an egg problem, no? C was fundamental to the development of Unix. You could not have one without the other.

The whole "doing the right thing" is a highly subjective qualitative estimation, which can lead to catastrophic results sometimes. The motivation for C was a study in tradeoffs between portability/performance/expressivity for a systems language, to be used to design and implement a portable/multiuser operating system. What eventually became Unix.


It is kind of unfair to piggyback the "liberation from Von Neumann architectures" as a responsibility under the context C was developed and intended for, specially since Backus was as responsible (if not more) for their entrenchment.


Not saying that C or Unix are perfect. But I think your critique was a bit unfair.

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That is a bit of a chicken an egg problem, no? C was fundamental to the development of Unix. You could not have one without the other.


From what I have read recently. UNIX was implemented first in B or BCPL or some language like that around 1968/1969 and then rewritten in C and assembler and released in 1971.

I can't find the cartoon with the egg and chicken in bed smoking ... and one them says "well that answers that question". ;)

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Wow, I didn't C this happening so soon.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:13 pm 
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There are a respectful number of obituaries:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15287391
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/10/13 ... assed-away
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/20 ... and-on.ars

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