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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby Alver » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:48 pm

If you come pick it up, you can have my v880 for 100EUR :) dunno what a trip across the channel would cost you but I doubt it'll be that much. 8 way 900MHz, 16GB ram, 10 x ethernet, 3 x fiber. Single disk due to sensitive data so original disks destroyed.

Oh, and 120 kgs or so :D just so you know. It seems to turn people off. :D
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby weldelandia » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:11 am

Alver wrote:If you come pick it up, you can have my v880 for 100EUR :) dunno what a trip across the channel would cost you but I doubt it'll be that much. 8 way 900MHz, 16GB ram, 10 x ethernet, 3 x fiber. Single disk due to sensitive data so original disks destroyed.

Oh, and 120 kgs or so :D just so you know. It seems to turn people off. :D



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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby edikat » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:25 am

Oh, and 120 kgs or so just so you know. It seems to turn people off.


Unfortunately I don't drive, and also I am in Scotland.. way North!!!!

Thanks for the offer though!!

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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby edikat » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:07 pm

My only question would be "what load". SPARC is definitely a "commercial instruction set" CPU rather than a technical CPU, so it it optimized for integer and moving data around. Intel x86 is primarily integer as well, but for the most part it isn't as good at moving stuff around.

Of course there is that old analogy.

If you want to get 2 people as fast as possible from point A to B, use a Porsche (Intel).

If you want to get 100 people as fast as possible from A to B use a Bus (SPARC).

Or something like that :)
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby SAQ » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:34 pm

edikat wrote:My only question would be "what load". SPARC is definitely a "commercial instruction set" CPU rather than a technical CPU, so it it optimized for integer and moving data around. Intel x86 is primarily integer as well, but for the most part it isn't as good at moving stuff around.

Of course there is that old analogy.

If you want to get 2 people as fast as possible from point A to B, use a Porsche (Intel).

If you want to get 100 people as fast as possible from A to B use a Bus (SPARC).

Or something like that :)


Porsche is too reliable - maybe a better analogy is BMW or Lotus.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby ritchan » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:21 pm

What, it's not like US CPUs had a totally different architecture. They still had a FSB, no point to point topology, a northbridge and a southbridge, so there's nothing particularly special about the system architecture.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby GL1zdA » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:30 pm

ritchan wrote:What, it's not like US CPUs had a totally different architecture. They still had a FSB, no point to point topology, a northbridge and a southbridge, so there's nothing particularly special about the system architecture.

Externally they are similar, but the thing that is quite unique to the SPARC is its registry architecture (not many processors implement the concept of register windows, definitely not x86). The new T series CPUs look like an interesting architecture, much different from the what Intel offers.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby R-ten-K » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:09 pm

The concept of register windows ended up being a hinderance for SPARC when trying to scale the architecture for out-of-order operation (In a similar fashion as the branch delay slot was for MIPS).

The main highlight of SPARC IMHO is that it is a truly open architecture, i.e. the ISA is in the public domain as a IEEE standard. A pity that not that many vendors based their micros around it.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby lyssdod » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:18 am

What do you guys think about expanding Sun Blade 150 or Sun Ultra 60?

I'm just trying to find optimal balance for pretty much powerful cpu (i can not let myself to have ultra 25/45 as they cost > $4000) and ability to extension.

Also, what do you think, is it possible to fire up Ultra 45 with modern ATi videocard? (just dreaming and wondering )

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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby SAQ » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:34 am

lyssdod wrote:What do you guys think about expanding Sun Blade 150 or Sun Ultra 60?

I'm just trying to find optimal balance for pretty much powerful cpu (i can not let myself to have ultra 25/45 as they cost > $4000) and ability to extension.

Also, what do you think, is it possible to fire up Ultra 45 with modern ATi videocard? (just dreaming and wondering )

Thanks for replies


Both of those will likely have disk bottlenecks (60 has Ultra/Wide SCSI, 150 has not-so-good IDE). I'd look at the Blade 1000,1500,2000,2500 series if you can swing them. Not SATA/SAS like the 25/45, but def. faster/better HW.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby tingo » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:07 pm

SAQ wrote:Both of those will likely have disk bottlenecks (60 has Ultra/Wide SCSI, 150 has not-so-good IDE). I'd look at the Blade 1000,1500,2000,2500 series if you can swing them. Not SATA/SAS like the 25/45, but def. faster/better HW.

The Blade 1000 uses FC-AL drives. Are the so much better when it comes to bandwidth?
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby SAQ » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:50 pm

tingo wrote:
SAQ wrote:Both of those will likely have disk bottlenecks (60 has Ultra/Wide SCSI, 150 has not-so-good IDE). I'd look at the Blade 1000,1500,2000,2500 series if you can swing them. Not SATA/SAS like the 25/45, but def. faster/better HW.

The Blade 1000 uses FC-AL drives. Are the so much better when it comes to bandwidth?


UltraSCSI does 40MB/Sec, 1Gb FC-AL does 100MB/sec. The Blade 1k/2k has improved memory technology, faster CPUs, and so it's likely that you will see an improvement.

FWIW my Ultra-10 440/1GB RAM is not too impressive, even with a SCSI system disk.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby tingo » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:29 pm

SAQ wrote:UltraSCSI does 40MB/Sec, 1Gb FC-AL does 100MB/sec. The Blade 1k/2k has improved memory technology, faster CPUs, and so it's likely that you will see an improvement.

Hmm, I just installed FreeBSD on a disk in my Blade 1k, maybe I should run a benchmark on the disk.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby lyssdod » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:42 pm

Thanks for replies!

What do you think about Sun Blade 150 ? Is it too weak for Solaris 10? I've heard that this machine does not like Gnome in the terms of the work speed.
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Re: Cheap but Powerful UltraSPARC under $500

Unread postby edikat » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:07 am

$160 is a lot of postage for a Blade 150, but it may be the smallest self-contained unit (with Video) with an USII processor.

Also a 150 should cost you $50 max... $150 is way too expensive!

The 150 is a slow machine, I believe it has the USIIi 650 and IDE disk(s).

I would look for a Blade 1000/2000, available on eBay for around $50 (UK eBay) and postage from UK->UKR shouldn't be really expensive. One UK seller was selling Blade 2000's with 1GB and 9GB Drives recently for UK £20 + postage ....

Basically the 150 is nyet bistro!

I have some V100's/V120's with Solaris 10 U9, this machine with a network connection to a PC is a far better solution (using something like VNC, or NoMachine NX) - the same CPU in the V120 as the Blade 150, but 15K disks can give it a boost in performance.
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