Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Sun workstations/servers and operating systems (SunOS, Solaris and OpenSolaris)
Forum rules
Any posts concerning pirated software or offering to buy/sell/trade commercial software are subject to removal.
SAQ
Posts: 5758
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:37 am
Location: Renton, WA

Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby SAQ » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:33 pm

This just came over rescue: Solaris 11 will be dropping a good deal of hardware. I was expecting that they'd drop SBus support, but Oracle's gone all IBM/Apple and are dropping support for all UltraSPARC II, III and IV processors.

I guess the good news is that there might be more US-III and IV machines in circulation within the next couple of years.
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

There are those who say I'm a bit of a curmudgeon. To them I reply: "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

:Indigo: :Octane: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :PI: :O3x0: :ChallengeL: :O2000R: (single-CM)

User avatar
PymbleSoftware
Posts: 1887
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:48 pm
Location: P.O. Box 121, Pymble, Sydney, NSW 2073, Australia.
Contact:

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby PymbleSoftware » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:03 pm

I have had problems getting OpenIndiana to even boot on a hand full of x86 stuff around the house... The only machine it does seem to run on lacks RAM and disk.. :roll:

R.
死の神はりんごだけ食べる

開いた括弧は必ず閉じる -- あるプログラマー

:Tezro: :Tezro: :Onyx2R: :Onyx2RE: :Onyx2: :O3x04R: :O3x0: :O200: :Octane: :Octane2: :O2: :O2: :Indigo2IMP: :PI: :PI: :1600SW: :1600SW: :Indy: :Indy: :Indy: :Indy: :Indy:
:hpserv: J5600, 2 x Mac, 3 x SUN, Alpha DS20E, Alpha 800 5/550, 3 x RS/6000, Amiga 4000 VideoToaster, Amiga4000 -030, 733MHz Sam440 AmigaOS 4.1 update 1.

Sold: :Indy: :Indy: :Indy: :Indigo: Tandem Himalaya S-Series Nonstop S72000 ServerNet.

@PymbleSoftware
Current Apps -> https://itunes.apple.com/au/artist/pymb ... d553990081
Cortex ---> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cortex-th ... 11?sk=info
Minnie ---> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Minnie-th ... 02?sk=info
Github ---> https://github.com/pymblesoftware
Visit http://www.pymblesoftware.com
Search for "Pymble", "InstaElf", "CryWhy" or "Cricket Score Sheet" in the iPad App store or search for "Pymble" or "CryWhy" in the iPhone App store.

User avatar
D-EJ915
Posts: 822
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:07 pm
Location: Virginia Beach, USA
Contact:

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby D-EJ915 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:19 pm

Probably won't run on my Sparc64-V either :/
:Indy: :rx2600: :Indigo2: :Octane2: :hpserv: :hpserv: :O2: :Indigo2: :Indy: :Indy: system info on my website

User avatar
vishnu
Posts: 2193
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:25 pm
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota USA

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby vishnu » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:57 am

The downward spiral accelerates...
Project:
Temporarily lost at sea...
Plan:
World domination! Or something...

User avatar
skywriter
Posts: 3103
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:22 am
Location: living in a linux-blunderland
Contact:

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby skywriter » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:48 am

this sells more hardware and pushes customer into higher maintenance costs. Sun was too good to customers; it's why they lost in the long run.
:Skywriter:

DECUS Member 368596

User avatar
zmttoxics
Posts: 893
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:11 am

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby zmttoxics » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:25 am

Weird that they would do that since S11x still works... I wonder if its just a "not officially supported" kind of deal....
Stuff.

SAQ
Posts: 5758
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:37 am
Location: Renton, WA

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby SAQ » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:19 pm

zmttoxics wrote:Weird that they would do that since S11x still works... I wonder if its just a "not officially supported" kind of deal....


Not sure - I guess it depends how many people they can get to buy new hardware with empty threats and official nonsupport vs. actually taking it out, and an analysis of how much it costs to go either way from here.
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

There are those who say I'm a bit of a curmudgeon. To them I reply: "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

:Indigo: :Octane: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :PI: :O3x0: :ChallengeL: :O2000R: (single-CM)

User avatar
ianj
Posts: 155
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:43 am
Location: 費府

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby ianj » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:50 am

skywriter wrote:this sells more hardware and pushes customer into higher maintenance costs. Sun was too good to customers; it's why they lost in the long run.


No kidding. The shop I worked for during Sun's last days was getting something like a 60% educational discount on everything. Apparently their sales reps got commissions based on units sold rather than profits.
:Fuel: :Octane: :Octane2: :Indigo2IMP: :O3x0:

User avatar
skywriter
Posts: 3103
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:22 am
Location: living in a linux-blunderland
Contact:

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby skywriter » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:42 pm

Most people were in deep denial concerning Oracle's prerogatives when Oracle first bought Sun.
:Skywriter:

DECUS Member 368596

User avatar
kjaer
Posts: 343
Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 7:47 pm
Location: Seattle, WA
Contact:

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby kjaer » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:46 pm

I have nothing to add to that.
:OnyxR: :IRIS3130: :IRIS2400: :Onyx: :ChallengeL: :4D220VGX: :Indigo: :Octane: :Cube: :Indigo2IMP: :Indigo2: :Indy:

SAQ
Posts: 5758
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:37 am
Location: Renton, WA

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby SAQ » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:26 pm

skywriter wrote:Most people were in deep denial concerning Oracle's prerogatives when Oracle first bought Sun.


Not sure about that, but I think that many people were aware of their intent (try to turn it back into a moneymaking operation). Dropping USIV surprised me a bit because it would seem that there was plenty of money to be made there between service and $2k/year/socket Solaris licenses, compared to an operation such as Apple who makes most their money off of hardware sales. In the case of $30 for an upgrade there, dropping support for HW as soon as possible makes sense to drive the HW market.

Regarding prerogatives, so far they've been a bit better than HP in that it isn't obviously a "buy and bury" operation.
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

There are those who say I'm a bit of a curmudgeon. To them I reply: "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

:Indigo: :Octane: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :PI: :O3x0: :ChallengeL: :O2000R: (single-CM)

kurkosdr
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:27 am

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby kurkosdr » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:31 am

So, let me get this straight: There are currently NO sparc workstations that can run the latest version of Solaris?

This is why corporations shouldn't be allowed to be bought by larger corporations, unless they are bankrupt. Just because that last CEO of Sun got tired and wanted to retire, an entire computer category was lost.

User avatar
skywriter
Posts: 3103
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:22 am
Location: living in a linux-blunderland
Contact:

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby skywriter » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:42 pm

Oh well. You can always run Linux on them. I've heard from a a reputable source that it's AWESOME!!!!!!

Honestly, Sun was next bankrupt anyway. John Schwartz was a misfit CEO. Ponytail? Give me break. He probably still has that peach fuzz mustache kids grow in their teens.
:Skywriter:

DECUS Member 368596

SAQ
Posts: 5758
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:37 am
Location: Renton, WA

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby SAQ » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:44 am

kurkosdr wrote:So, let me get this straight: There are currently NO sparc workstations that can run the latest version of Solaris?

This is why corporations shouldn't be allowed to be bought by larger corporations, unless they are bankrupt. Just because that last CEO of Sun got tired and wanted to retire, an entire computer category was lost.


And it would be better how if there were no Sun at all and no Solaris? Sun was well on the way to bankruptcy.

We haven't lost anything over that alternative.
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

There are those who say I'm a bit of a curmudgeon. To them I reply: "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

:Indigo: :Octane: :Indigo2: :Indigo2IMP: :Indy: :PI: :O3x0: :ChallengeL: :O2000R: (single-CM)

kurkosdr
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:27 am

Re: Solaris 11 dropping much hardware support

Unread postby kurkosdr » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:46 pm

Can i ask some more things?

1) Will Solaris 11 boot on Sun Ultra 1500/2500 and Sun Ultra 25/45? When i first read this topic i assumed not, but then i thought it might boot but "not be officially supported", which is still sad news, bad not as much as not being able to boot at all.

2) Programmers who want a desktop system with binary compatibility with sparc big iron are going to be pissed in case Solaris 11 doesn't boot on sparc workstations, right? Is Elison trying to kill sparc?

3) Will Solaris 11 code be released as OpenSolaris? If so, and in case Solaris 11 doesn't boot on sparc workstations, it can be fixed by the community, right?


Return to “Sun”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests