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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:53 am 
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duck wrote:
Well, I'm stumped. I have no idea what front panel you're talking about.


Look at page 65 (page 81 of the PDF numbering) of this document:

http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/manuals ... 12-002.pdf

I can't see that! And I can't open any File Manager nor Window Manager!!! :shock:

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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:11 pm 
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Any possibility that your mouse is misconfigured? See http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/ ... Under_IRIX


I am at home now (the O² is at work), but I can tell you that the mouse is a 3-button model, without scroll wheel. In effects, I thought that the mouse could not be read correctly by the system, but the left button does what a left button is expected to do... I tried everything with all three buttons, with and without ALT and CTRL, but to no avail.

What should I do tomorrow morning about the rodent?... :roll:

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For future reference, the program 'xkill' gives you a 'killer cursor' that will close the next window you click on. Its easier than having to find out the pid and use the command line.


It worked great!!! Thank you! \m/

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And what are you doing with an O2 at work ? :)

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And what are you doing with an O2 at work ? :)


It has a radar built around.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:21 pm 
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duck wrote:
Well, I'm stumped. I have no idea what front panel you're talking about.


Look at page 65 (page 81 of the PDF numbering) of this document:

http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/manuals ... 12-002.pdf

I can't see that! And I can't open any File Manager nor Window Manager!!! :shock:

That's the CDE. It was an optional software package, rarely used on SGIs.

Normally IRIX systems use the Indigo Magic desktop environment, and the 4DWm window manager.
It's supposed to look like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... esktop.png Does your desktop look like that or are you missing window borders, toolchest menu etc?

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The radar guy wrote:
duck wrote:
Well, I'm stumped. I have no idea what front panel you're talking about.


Look at page 65 (page 81 of the PDF numbering) of this document:

http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/manuals ... 12-002.pdf

I can't see that! And I can't open any File Manager nor Window Manager!!! :shock:

That's the CDE. It was an optional software package, rarely used on SGIs.

Normally IRIX systems use the Indigo Magic desktop environment, and the 4DWm window manager.
It's supposed to look like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... esktop.png Does your desktop look like that or are you missing window borders, toolchest menu etc?


YES!!! It misses the four icons on the right, and the toolchest develops horizontally instead of vertically, but definitely that's it!

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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:47 pm 
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The radar guy wrote:
Look at page 65 (page 81 of the PDF numbering) of this document:
http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/manuals ... 12-002.pdf
I can't see that! And I can't open any File Manager nor Window Manager!!! :shock:

I don't know if you have a lot of experience with IRIX and other flavors of UNIX, or if you are new to UNIX, so please let me know if what I am about to say is on target or not.

The main desktop interface in IRIX is called the "IRIX Interactive Desktop," and it looks like this - http://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/82787GlqZPpXZk0ZxCiF7b.png

SGI also supported the CDE, or "Common Desktop Environment," for a little while. While CDE is the most common interface used with many commercial UNIX platforms, it is relatively rarely used with IRIX. The CDE desktop looks like this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DECwi ... v7.3-1.png

The document that you linked is for the CDE. Which environment are you using? That might impact the diagnosis of your problem and the advice that you get.

Unless you have a compelling reason to run CDE, I think that almost everyone would agree that you are much better off running the Irix Interactive Desktop.

In the Irix Interactive Desktop, you should be able to right-click (no need to hold the ALT key) anywhere on the blank desktop and get a menu of "Desktop" options. If you try that, do you get the menu? (I think something similar happens with CDE, too, but it's been a long time since I used it.)

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I am at home now (the O² is at work), but I can tell you that the mouse is a 3-button model, without scroll wheel. In effects, I thought that the mouse could not be read correctly by the system, but the left button does what a left button is expected to do... I tried everything with all three buttons, with and without ALT and CTRL, but to no avail.

What should I do tomorrow morning about the rodent?... :roll:

Is the mouse from SGI, or is it a third party mouse? In most cases, a mouse without a wheel needs the kernel parameter pcmouse_mode to be set to zero. To find out which mode your system is using, type this command:
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systune pcmouse_mode
The output should say which mode you are using. If it is not "0", you can change it as an administrator by typing (as root -- be very, very careful) the following command and then rebooting:
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systune pcmouse_mode 0


If that fails, you might try shutting down, connecting a different PS/2 style mouse, and then rebooting the machine. You may need to change the pcmouse_mode if you change mice. Again, instructions for that are at http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/ ... Under_IRIX


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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:47 pm 
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Oops - sorry - I didn't notice jan-jaap's similar post before I hit okay.


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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:03 pm 
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josehill wrote:
Oops - sorry - I didn't notice jan-jaap's similar post before I hit okay.


No problem! The more, the best! ;)

I am new to IRIX/UNIX.
The mouse is original from SGI (provided with the system).
My desktop DEFINITELY is the "IRIX Interactive Desktop". I don't really need that CDE. What I need badly is a file manager, but I can't find one!

(I'm succumbing to sleep now, so I won't attempt to write anything more until tomorrow! ;) good night folks, and thank you...)

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The radar guy wrote:
What I need badly is a file manager, but I can't find one!

(I'm succumbing to sleep now, so I won't attempt to write anything more until tomorrow! ;) good night folks, and thank you...)

Check out the IRIX Interactive Desktop book at http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi ... Desktop_UG - you can browse it in html or download it as a pdf.

The default IRIX file manager is called "fm," and you can start it by typing fm on a command line or by going to Toolchest > Desktop > Access Files > In my Home Directory. You can have multiple fm windows open at the same time, and you can drag and drop files between them, assuming that you have the right file access privileges.

There are fm alternatives out there, but I'm not really up to date on those. Maybe someone else can make a suggestion.


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Is the mouse from SGI, or is it a third party mouse? In most cases, a mouse without a wheel needs the kernel parameter pcmouse_mode to be set to zero. To find out which mode your system is using, type this command:
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systune pcmouse_mode
The output should say which mode you are using. If it is not "0", you can change it as an administrator by typing (as root -- be very, very careful) the following command and then rebooting:
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systune pcmouse_mode 0


When I tried systune pcmouse_mode it returned:

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Cannot create /unix.install - Permission denied
The work will done on /unix
symbol: pcmouse_mode not found


I don't know what it means (and note that it returned "The work will done", not "The work will be done"... :lol: )

On the other hand, I could launch (at last!) the File Manager... whew!

Uh, by the way... do you have an idea of how to change the colors (text/background) of the windows? The present choice of color combinations is UGLY to say the least (and very punishing on my eyes... :evil: )

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Cannot create /unix.install - Permission denied
The work will done on /unix
symbol: pcmouse_mode not found

You need to issue the command as the "root" user. The root user has permission to do just about anything on a UNIX machine, so you need to be very careful when doing anything as root. Mistype certain commands as root, and you can easily find yourself needing to reinstall your system or restore from a backup. The most important file in UNIX is /unix. Also known as the "kernel," /unix is the "system" file that controls everything that runs on a system. When you change something as root using the "systune" command, you are actually creating a new /unix file.

So, if you are not sure about what you are doing as root, you should do one of the following:
1) Find someone who is sure of what they are doing.
2) Have a backup of the system handy.
3) Have all the media needed to reinstall the operating system nearby, just in case.

I don't mean to scare you, since, as long as you are careful, you should be fine. It's just that there are real consequences if you are not careful.

Anyway, to do something as root, you will need the root password, and then you will either need to login as root or use the "su" command to become root temporarily. (su stands for Super User.) If you use the "su" command, you will be asked for the root password, then you will be able to type commands as the root user. When you are finished typing commands as root, it is very important to logout of the root account or to leave the su session. Either close the window that you were typing the su commands in, or type control-d.
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Uh, by the way... do you have an idea of how to change the colors (text/background) of the windows? The present choice of color combinations is UGLY to say the least (and very punishing on my eyes... :evil: )

Toolchest > Desktop > Customize > Color Scheme

You might want to spend some time looking at Chapter 11 of the IRIX Desktop User's Guide for more tips. Since it sounds like your desktop was somewhat customized by a previous user, it might be worthwhile simply to create a new user account on the system to start with a "default" environment. (Just don't delete the current account. You might need information from it later.) Do you have anyone close by who has IRIX admin experience?


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Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:32 am 
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First, before this advise circus goes any further, I'd like to clear out wether radar is actually using CDE?

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