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Unread postby ph0enix » Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:35 am

First of all, I have to say I don't want to start a flame against SGI. The following thoughts are just IMHO and sorry for some misspelled words or grammar - I'm working on it... :wink:

SGI and Apple are one of the most innovative companies in computer history... They both changed a lot (both in different ways) how people could use computers in a more efficient and intuitive way.

But what I hate is the ignorance against a loyal community which secure them. These are the fans, the hobbyists, which stands behind those companies even they make big mistakes. And that counts: These are not the big companies who can afford the hard- and software stuff: If they are dissatisfied, they switch.

Yes, I know there is a lot of great software for the SGI platform (if you can afford it) and open source developers doing a great job for this platform too. But don't let us talking about the prices: Good work should earn good money.

But what we're talking about are absolutely basics. Hey, come on, it's not an option to switch between a Mac (or a Wintel) machine just to be able to watch newer QuickTime movies, because you can't watch it on IRIX (the freeware options didn't work on older SGI machines).
It's even not an option to avoid websites which contains newer releases of Shockwave/Flash because you can't watch it on IRIX - and there are a lot of ex-SGI coworker out there which can't stand this situation.

I'm not sure whether a petition to SGI would accomplish anything, too, but I think at least we should try it. Nothing will change when we discuss the situation behind the scenes... :wink:

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Unread postby max_impact » Thu Feb 06, 2003 5:08 pm

I know they've done a bad job of listening in the past, but maybe we should think of asking them if we can have the Flash plugin rather than just jumping straight in with both feet and a generally offensive petition :?:

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Unread postby Shtoink » Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:03 pm

max_impact wrote:I know they've done a bad job of listening in the past, but maybe we should think of asking them if we can have the Flash plugin rather than just jumping straight in with both feet and a generally offensive petition :?:


I agree...

I think that asking something in a freindly manner will have a far greater effect than busting out something generally offensive and rude would. Demanding stuff never works when you are the underdog. I don;t think there is any need to flame SGI at all, I was just making some comments on how I felt about a few things that they have been doing recently.

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Unread postby ph0enix » Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:25 pm

Sorry, it was not my intension to flame against SGI... Well, sometimes I find myself sitting on a black horse and riding against the *evil* with a double-edged sword in my hand... :wink:

Ok, what do you think? Should we ask together?

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Unread postby Shtoink » Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:45 pm

We could probably have everyone write something kind of briefly an individuals and compile them together in a "Wish List" so to speak, or we could put up our thoughts into one list and send it off with everyone's signature on it.

Tha latter may work best as it will have a better flow than if we added all our stuff into a pile and sent it off. We could build a list of thigs that would be failry reassonable and more liekly for SGI to agree with. If they see that we are asking nicely they may be more willing to let us have more leeway with the supportfolio and such. Even if they do not agree to everything or anything at all, it may show that there are some loyal fans out there.

--Just a thought

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Unread postby psergiu » Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:38 am

1) SGI should be more nice to the fan-base - most of the time the people who have a SGI at home are experienced techs who are (or will be) in a position that could influence the buying decisions of their company.

2) they should release the maintenance patch stream asap (as Sun & HP do). Delaying for a year the patches that could fix security holes is against that patriot act or smth :)

3) they should reopen the IndiZone contests - i know someone who bought an indy (new) for the sole purpose to play Hacknoid :)

and then some wild wishes:

4) Put the tech docs of the older machines on the web for the Linux/*BSD porting guys. Having Linux/*BSD working fine on the older machines means less downloads of the IRIX patches on their website - less bandwidth expenses :) (ok - this motivation sucks :) )

5) Free IRIX (as in Beer) - like Sun does with Solaris. It runs only on their hardware so why bother.

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Unread postby ph0enix » Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:49 am

Shtoink wrote:...or we could put up our thoughts into one list and send it off with everyone's signature on it. Tha latter may work best...


I agree to this, too. But we should clarify a few things: Who will be responsible for the list? Who will collect our wishes and signatures (if we use real signatures, they have to be scanned before) and who send them to SGI? Should we start a new topic on this?

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Unread postby ph0enix » Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:36 am

Hey... it's remarkable silent now... did I say anything wrong?? :(

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Unread postby max_impact » Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:30 pm

It's the silence of deep thought :wink:

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Unread postby Shtoink » Sat Feb 08, 2003 6:23 pm

Is that horse dead already?
:D

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Unread postby ph0enix » Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:45 pm

Shtoink wrote:Is that horse dead already?
:D


No. I am sitting on it. Gandalf borrowed me Shadowfax... But unfortunately I lost my double-edged sword... :D

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Unread postby ph0enix » Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:24 am

Hey guys, what's up? I think we probably have a chance to change something with our lists, so why we don't do it?

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Unread postby max_impact » Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:06 pm

Looks like they were listening after all (or fully intended to release them given time)... free Flash for all if you have a (free) Supportfolio account :)


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