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Do you think making both mips3 and mips4 versions of each package is worth the trouble ?

Yes - mips3 & mips4
19
79%
No - mips4 only - let the mips3 loosers cry
5
21%
 
Total votes: 24

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Unread postby squeen » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:51 am

cosmos wrote:i think we can agree to disagree. :)

absolutely -- no offense intended. It's nice to be able to banter with another viewpoint.

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Unread postby cosmos » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:52 am

Dubhthach wrote:
I don't think communists have a problem with making money, just they believe that the means of production should be in the hands of the state, which given what actually happened in the Soviet Union was a disater. After all if everything is owned by one entity (such as the state) then there can be no competition, result the consumer gets screwed.

I think squeen point is fairly valid, after all if you do a phd in university your thesis gets published and other people can use your work (as long as they acknowledge you in their work)
After all computer standards such as TCP/IP were developed in a open situation, as result you don't hear much talk of decnet anymore :wink: (or other propiertry network standards)


i forgot my rose colored glasses today.

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Unread postby cosmos » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:12 am

squeen wrote:
cosmos wrote:i think we can agree to disagree. :)

absolutely -- no offense intended. It's nice to be able to banter with another viewpoint.


now im going to have to go read karl marx again and *gasp* ESR's writings for more discourse on the topic.

perhaps i can prove that they are both alien imposters planted here to destroy the human race!

:)))
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Unread postby Dubhthach » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:20 am

ESR? jaysuz i thought "cruel and unusual punishment" was illegal stateside :lol:

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Unread postby psergiu » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:39 pm

looks like i started a small war in here :)
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Unread postby whiter » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:58 pm

Yes my dear fellow earthsmen,

I've said it before

And I'll say it again

...

this site has too many emoticons.

;-D
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Unread postby akimmet » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:26 pm

I'd say so... :withstupid: No insult intended ofcourse... :wickedfart:

:big5: :indian: :rainbowafro:

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Unread postby GeneratriX » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:41 pm

cosmos wrote:there is a happy medium between idealiistic software development and monolithic corporate entities, it just has not been realized yet.


Yes!, Of course, and I have an agreement with such happy medium of the software developing scheme, but don't forget that the Open Source Community was releasing high quality code. And there are many examples of such sourcecode. Many time better that many commercial applications from many known vendors...

But the main problem to obtain such "happy medium" is the absence of the right tools to protect releases of commercial binarys with their source code on a succesfully licensing scheme. Right now, such field was only used on a form of SDK, or "Software Developer Kits", by a few corporations, and not always they include source code (only headers and objects).

I could be happy to release the complete source code of my programming projects along with the binaries (installers), on a "pay_per_use_only_one_time" basis, so the end user could be not only using the end application: he could "tweak" or "hack" the code, compile, and get new functionalities.

But we like to do such thing on a commodity price basis. And the cost to release a source code to the "big ocean" for a very complex application would be very-very high.

Just consider an app of 12000 man's hours, and you'll be getting an approach...

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Unread postby hamei » Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:17 am

cosmos wrote:in the end it probably comes down to philosophical differences.


to me it's two things - first is the matter of quality, where gnu often fails pretty miserably. Second is secret source, which is contradictictory to the purpose of copyright and means that no one can ever fix what the lousy bastards at Adobe or IBM screw up. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of software products I have *bought*, only to have their masters toss them (and me) out in the trash when they got bored. We'll probably never know how much of that was due to Microsoft's enforcers, but still .... I paid, I got screwed. Copyright is fine but the source should go into escrow. When the app is withdrawn from distribution then the source should be freed.

i am not a communist, never was a communist, and never will be a communist.



hi cosmos :-)

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Unread postby psergiu » Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:00 am

Back on the track ...

I kindly ask the good guys who compile the packages to at least make also a tar with the modified source and upload-it next to the mips4 binaries ... as my time permits i will get it and try to make some mips3 binaries.

And Neko please, please, please when you link a new software package from the front page don't forget to specify when is mips4 only ...

Thank you very much.

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Unread postby whiter » Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:09 am

My packages which have started rolling onto this website as of this week are all build for mips4 as clearly stated in the description and dirname, but they all do contain the source code, patches, and build instructions. So no one should have any trouble rebuilding them for mips3 also.
Good luck :-)
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Unread postby nekonoko » Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:19 am

psergiu wrote:And Neko please, please, please when you link a new software package from the front page don't forget to specify when is mips4 only ...

Thank you very much.


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Unread postby hamei » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:06 pm

whiter wrote:My packages which have started rolling onto this website as of this week are all build for mips4 as clearly stated in the description and dirname, but they all do contain the source code, patches, and build instructions. So no one should have any trouble rebuilding them for mips3 also.
Good luck :-)


Nice way to do it, whiter. Thanks. Also seems like your builds are faster ... maybe wishful thinking tho, I should do some benchmarks.

Now, if we could get everyone to standardize on /usr/neko .... :-)


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