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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:16 pm

Well, then you're going to have a problem with Suns and OLPCs too.
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby miod » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:35 pm

shutitalldown wrote:I still wonder why they didn't simply port PPCBOOT/UBOOT builtin with a Lua interpreter, instead? :roll:

Because the IEEE1275 standard existed way before Lua was usable for anything.
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby shutitalldown » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:15 am

ClassicHasClass wrote:Well, then you're going to have a problem with Suns and OLPCs too.


Sun? Never used.

miod wrote:Because the IEEE1275 standard existed way before Lua was usable for anything.


What about a BASIC interpreter like what you can find in 80s home computers?

To me, OF looks all like the Titanic ocean liner: intended to be a modern step-ahead that instead will sink you down at the first bug :roll:

Anyway, I am happy with the hardware. My PowerMacG4 MDD looks good for my needs. I only complain the need of a 3.3V PCI-X @ 133Mhz (the MDD comes with four PCI-X slots, 5V, 66Mhz) that would have allowed more interesting cards (e.g. high-level SAS-cards are all 3.3V)
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby skywriter » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:35 pm

I like apple.
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby Irinikus » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:16 pm

skywriter wrote:I like apple.

So do I :D
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby commodorejohn » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:22 am

I like apples. At least, nice crispy, flavorful ones.
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby guardian452 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 am

skywriter wrote:I like apple.

I hate apple slightly less than I hate all the others.

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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby uunix » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:14 am

I used to like apricots, especially the MCA machines.

But, I did like apple, but not a fan now, around the 2007 - 2011 sort of era, I thought the OS was fine as was the hardware.
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby guardian452 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:35 am

Yeah the hardware is really not competitive anymore.. The laptop's kb/trackpad/screen used to be top-notch but their technology is stuck in 2013-land.

Especially when I can get a QHD+ 13" or 4k 15" screen from Dell or Razer, the "retina" macs look quite fuzzy by comparison, especially with the way Mac handles scaling. And the new keyboards are awful. Not that they were ever all that great to begin with, but they used to at least *work*.

Like the old joke of how to outrun a bear, Mac doesn't need to be perfect, it merely needs to be slightly better than Windows. Apple can keep pumping out 2012-era display resolutions and trackpads and people will keep buying them. Hell, the ancient macbook air is still their best-selling model.

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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby Irinikus » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 am

The question is where is this all going to end? (Trans-humanism?)

As far as I'm concerned, the current systems which are available are more than capable of performing at a level which satisfies my requirements.

The same people who seem to moan about the fact that Apple hasn't refreshed their Mac Pro in the last four years are the same people who seam to moan about consumerism.

What are you people expecting (The integration of man and machine through implants?)
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby guardian452 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:15 am

I expect that if I purchase a $3000 laptop in 2018, it isn't a steaming pile of doodoo. Keyboards flummoxed by a single breadcrumb is a tough pill to swallow.

I chose to purchase a used 2015 model not because of price but because I believe it is still a superior product to the current offerings.

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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby Irinikus » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:50 am

guardian452 wrote:I expect that if I purchase a $3000 laptop in 2018, it isn't a steaming pile of doodoo. Keyboards flummoxed by a single breadcrumb is a tough pill to swallow.

I chose to purchase a used 2015 model not because of price but because I believe it is still a superior product to the current offerings.


I know that you seem to love laptops, for reasons which I cant understand, as they are a compromise from the very start, regardless of the manufacturer.

There are only two Apple products which I use daily, being the Trashcan Mac and an iPhone and I love both of them. (I hate iPad's, Mac-book Air's , Mac-book Pro's and the iMac's though.)

This is not to brag, but my PC cost me more than three time that of the Mac Pro and I personally prefer the Mac Pro for general use. (But this is obviously only a personal opinion on my part though.)

The "thinness madness" (which results in the application of crappy keyboards) that Apple is going through at the moment is simply due to the fact that the average person on Earth seems to have the same obsession and this is a marketing strategy that they need to follow in-order to survive.
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby Shiunbird » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 am

Irinikus wrote:The "thinness madness" (which results in the application of crappy keyboards) that Apple is going through at the moment is simply due to the fact that the average person on Earth seems to have the same obsession and this is a marketing strategy that they need to follow in-order to survive.


Well, someone started with this. Laptops used to be thick and people had no choice.
I found the late PPCs, early Intel Apple portables to be the best in terms of size and features. You have space for Ethernet ports and replaceable batteries, and with such width, nowadays you could support high TDPs and shit lots of RAM.

The super tiny motherboards that Apple produces nowadays could leave room for a boat load of batteries, in a design that would be sturdy and dongle-free.

At work I had a T440s and now they issued us T460s and T470s. The T440s was thin enough and now it's just silly. At least I still get Ethernet.
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby guardian452 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:38 am

Irinikus wrote:I know that you seem to love laptops, for reasons which I cant understand, as they are a compromise from the very start, regardless of the manufacturer.

You seriously expect me to cart around a tower at work?
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Re: The Problem with Apple

Unread postby Irinikus » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:41 am

You've got a good point there! :D
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