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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:44 pm

The only PPC Duo was the 2300. Those are nice little machines, very collectable.

I am also a huge devotee of the PowerBook 1400. It was the first laptop I got, a hand-me-down c/117 from my brother-in-law who said if I could fix it, I could have it. It turned out to need a new inverter board, and it worked perfectly. I ended up putting the max 60MB (for the 117) in it and adding a G3/333, video out and a modem and Ethernet card. It got flaky, so I transferred everything to a donor 166, got a 466MHz G3, upgraded the hard disk, and added an Orinoco Wi-Fi card. It works fine. Even the battery holds about half an hour's charge. And the 1400's keyboard is the best any laptop ever had, Mac or otherwise.

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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby josehill » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:48 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:The only PPC Duo was the 2300. Those are nice little machines, very collectable.

I am also a huge devotee of the PowerBook 1400.

I have a Duo 270c and a Duo 2300, along with a DuoDock II. When they were new, the Duos drew a lot of attention. There was nothing else on the market nearly as sleek and portable at the time. At our old shop, they found second lives as serial terminal replacements in our data center. Their compact size made them ideal for placement directly in racks.

I also have a PB 1400 - the first laptop I ever purchased. Over the years, I maxed out the RAM, upgraded the hard drive, and added a video card and a Dayna dual coax-RJ ethernet PCMCIA card. Still runs great, dual booting into either MacOS 8.6 or 9.1.

I walked into my freshman year of college carrying an electric typewriter with correctable ribbon and no interest in computers, while my roommate walked in with a brand-new 128k Mac. Later that week, I was publishing our dorm newsletter from our room. By my senior year, I had saved up enough money to buy my first computer, a brand new SE/30 for $3,600. (Some years later, I gave the SE/30 to a friend who wanted a computer for his kid to play with. A few years later, that SE/30 came back to me, upgraded with an Micron Xceed color video card and gray scale adapter and an Apple RGB display. Thanks to a kind Nekochanner, the SE/30 now has 128 MB and has run everything from System 6 to 7.5, and a little A/UX, in between.

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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby josehill » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:50 pm

This was neat: a short story, with photos, discussing the discovery and resurrection of two early 5.25" floppy Mac prototypes, aka "Twiggy" Macs. http://www.cultofmac.com/239280/twiggy- ... macintosh/

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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby scottE » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:42 pm

josehill wrote:This was neat: a short story, with photos, discussing the discovery and resurrection of two early 5.25" floppy Mac prototypes, aka "Twiggy" Macs. http://www.cultofmac.com/239280/twiggy- ... macintosh/


That is seriously cool. I'd read that the prototype used 5.25 disks, but have never seen photos.

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ClassicHasClass wrote:The only PPC Duo was the 2300. Those are nice little machines, very collectable.

I am also a huge devotee of the PowerBook 1400.

I have a Duo 270c and a Duo 2300, along with a DuoDock II. When they were new, the Duos drew a lot of attention. There was nothing else on the market nearly as sleek and portable at the time. At our old shop, they found second lives as serial terminal replacements in our data center. Their compact size made them ideal for placement directly in racks.

I also have a PB 1400 - the first laptop I ever purchased. Over the years, I maxed out the RAM, upgraded the hard drive, and added a video card and a Dayna dual coax-RJ ethernet PCMCIA card. Still runs great, dual booting into either MacOS 8.6 or 9.1.

I walked into my freshman year of college carrying an electric typewriter with correctable ribbon and no interest in computers, while my roommate walked in with a brand-new 128k Mac. Later that week, I was publishing our dorm newsletter from our room. By my senior year, I had saved up enough money to buy my first computer, a brand new SE/30 for $3,600. (Some years later, I gave the SE/30 to a friend who wanted a computer for his kid to play with. A few years later, that SE/30 came back to me, upgraded with an Micron Xceed color video card and gray scale adapter and an Apple RGB display. Thanks to a kind Nekochanner, the SE/30 now has 128 MB and has run everything from System 6 to 7.5, and a little A/UX, in between.


Nice! I still have to respect anyone who who laid out newsletters with a typewriter, but there's just something about even dot-matrix printed pages that looks better.

I spent the weekend doing a bit of fiddling with the 1400c; the adaptor arrived, and while the battery is certainly no good anymore, the rest of it seems pretty okay. Screen is nice and bright, too. I put in a 60GB HD that previously lived in someone else's iBook, and it now has an absurd amount of disk space for a 1997-era laptop. I divided the drive into 8 partitions, so I can do what José's done: have an install for 7.6.1, and, if I can find a replacement OS8 cd, set one up for booting into 8.1. I did find a backup CD I made in the late-90s, but copying everything over appears to not make for a very happy OS8 experience. I can only get to the desktop if I hold down the shift key. No doubt something is corrupted. The G3 upgrade inside appears to be 250MHz, according to benchmarking software I found on an old MacAddict CD.

Still! It works. I'm really amazed Classic's 1400 has a working battery. Mine is pretty well toast on ice, with odds of finding a working one about as thin (the extant one is a replacement as it is—I was pretty hard on my stuff, turns out). I now dimly remember that solar array for the 1400. I recall thinking that was pretty neat, but never purchased one myself.

I haven't had the most productive of weekends. I completely pulled apart the contents of the walk-in closet I've got the SGI stuff in; still a disaster, but it looks a bit better now (and I'm considerably more sore). I also set up the aforementioned G3 desktop.
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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby josehill » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:57 pm

scottE wrote:Nice! I still have to respect anyone who who laid out newsletters with a typewriter, but there's just something about even dot-matrix printed pages that looks better.

Heh. Yeah, I did the manual layout of typewritten copy back in high school, and I figured it'd be the same in college, but I immediately adopted my roommate's Mac and his copies of MacWrite and MacPaint. The idea of WYSIWYG displays and printing was a revelation. :D

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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:58 pm

I was copy editor for my high school paper and we did it in AppleWorks on a IIe in columns on an ImageWriter and then did manual paste-up from there. Later when I was editor of the medical school paper, it was all QuarkXPress, first on a beat-up Power Mac 7100 and then on a G4/450.

If you're really patient, NOS NiMH batteries for the 1400 turn up on eBay, and they are not difficult to re-cell. In fact, there was an NOS third-party VST one there (in shrink wrap, with the charger!) just this weekend that unfortunately got snapped up on Buy-it-now before I could nab it. The real PITA battery is the PRAM battery, which is visible under the keyboard and looks deceptively simple to swap out, but is a nightmare requiring significant disassembly of the bottom case.

Your OS 8.1 install does sound whacked. Mine runs 9.1 fairly well, but it has RAMDoubler, 64MB of physical RAM and the fastest G3 card ever made for it, so it's not exactly a typical system.
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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby SAQ » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:58 pm

So they call out the Macintosh TV and the Macintosh Portable (???, especially for the Mac TV - whoopee - we're taking a mediocre computer and mixing it with a tuner so you can switch the screen back and forth!) , but completely ignores over the PPC transition, which was fantastically slick technically?
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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby guardian452 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:46 am

I think from their point of view... Or what they want you to think... Is that it was so slick the user didn't need to know or care about it.

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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby SAQ » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:43 pm

guardian452 wrote:I think from their point of view... Or what they want you to think... Is that it was so slick the user didn't need to know or care about it.


Which is why it beats out the Portable and the Macintosh TV by a long shot. Those machines' tradeoffs were very obvious to the users.
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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby Torque » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:43 pm

Ah, this thread brings back such fond memories. It's why I collect classic Macs to this day.

My first experience with Macs was in college, an SE model to do reports on (dot matrix printer), Mac Paint, and a few games. After I graduated with an Architecture BS degree, my first real work experience was trying to do CAD work on an Apple IIci with not enough RAM. It was so slow I could go get a cup of coffee while it worked to pan the image, lol. My employer was a such a cheap bastard. I finally convinced him to at least upgrade the puny 13" monitor to an 18" monochrome CRT with bnc connectors (he wouldn't spring for a color display, said that CAD didn't need it). MiniCAD 6 was a blessing. But a friend of mine got to work all day on a fully loaded Quadra 800 at his workplace, so I was always so envious.

A few years later, my first personal purchase was a Power Mac 6100 AV, and I was so pumped! The performance at the time was just so amazing.

To this day, my collection consists of an SE/30, a Quadra 700, 2 Quadra 840 AVs, a Power Mac 7100, 2 MessagePad 2100s, and an eMate. I also have a Power Mac G3 All-In-One and a Pismo G3 laptop I'm upgrading.

Also, I thought that HyperCard was just brilliant. Still have the complete set of floppies with manuals.

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Re: Mac is 30 years old

Unread postby hamei » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:17 pm

scottE wrote:Nice! I still have to respect anyone who who laid out newsletters with a typewriter, but there's just something about even dot-matrix printed pages that looks better.

Have you seen the output from a Selectric ?
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