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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby fu » Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:04 am

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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby recondas » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:54 pm

guardian452 wrote:My hackintosh woes have been solved by ordering a mac pro......this is a 2006, a couple hundred less but still plenty sufficient for my needs. I don't mind the uprated ram (10gb) and graphics (radeon 5750). And free shipping! The airport is also a nice touch.
Very nice - congratulations!
smj wrote:ISTR recondas was looking at swapping the heat sinks from official Apple DIMMs to 3rd party parts - I spotted these add-on heat sinks for $20/pair in case it comes up.
There doesn't seem to be much demand for 512MB Mac Pro FB-DIMMs, with some patience I was able to win three sets (six DIMMs) with original Apple heat sinks for at or near the opening bid. Even with shipping the entire lot was about the the same money as one pair of the Max Upgrade heatsinks.

As far as third party FB-DIMMs go, all of the 667MHz 2Rx4 FB-DIMMs I've tried have worked (your mileage may vary, but I tried *one* set in 2Rx8 configuration that weren't recognized). While all of the third-party 2Rx4 FB-DIMMs have worked reliably, the 2RX4 Nanya 2GB FB-DIMMs don't supply a reading to Temperature Monitor, while the 4GB Samsung and Hynix FB-DIMMs I've tried do supply temp readings. May be coincidental to the temperature reading, but if I found the correct spec sheets, the Samsung and Hynix units use an Intel AMB chip, the Nanya units have a non-Intel AMB.
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby nekonoko » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:53 am

smj wrote:I believe there would be no software mods, let alone soldering irons - though physically removing heatsink assemblies may be challenging, some gripes about some screws on the memory cages being tough to remove. People report successful swaps on their MacPro 1,1 without a firmware update where the CPUs were not properly labeled in About This Mac, but there's a thread on putting 2,1 firmware on 1,1 machines that should cause them to be properly recognized/reported.


I've done both mods - replacing the dual core CPUs with quad core as well as the MacPro2,1 firmware update. It's fairly painless - just remove the heat sinks, swap CPUs, apply new compound and reinstall. I didn't find the mounting screws overly difficult with the right tools at hand.

@recondas - I have a few (bad) memory modules you could steal heat sinks from if you want them. Was going to toss them anyway.
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby guardian452 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:29 pm

Aperture runs as swift as a jungle cat on this thing. It's great. But what I really like is the attention to details, such as how the front USB sockets face the right direction so I can see my watch face when it is plugged in (my old PC had it facing the wall). And it is really, really quiet.

Build quality is not as good as other x86 workstations I've owned and/or used in the past (HP xw series, z800, sun ultra 40, etc). But it's better than a cheap PC.
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby hamei » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:30 pm

guardian452 wrote:Build quality is not as good as other x86 workstations I've owned and/or used in the past (HP xw series, z800, sun ultra 40, etc).

You had an Ultra 40 ? How did you like it ?

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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby guardian452 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:23 pm

I used one on a co-op. It was alright, but I wasn't familiar with solaris. At the time (hey, I was young, don't we all grow up so fast?) I thought it was just broken linux. I did get to poke about the insides, would not say it was anything remarkable as I had no desire to own one...

My favourite workstation of this type (at least hardware-wise) will be the hp xw9300. Just berry well put together and nicely designed. After playing with those disk sleds everything else will make you wish it worked the same way. And you can probably get solaris running on one as well...

But the mac liberates you from windows (in a way that is an improvement for the user IMO) and is also well thought out. How often do you need to swap drives out anyways?

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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby zmttoxics » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:52 pm

I had thought about replacing my 2009 iMac with a used Mac Pro, but I had a few fundamental flaws with it (this coming from a previous PMG5 owner who misses his cheese grater monolith). I have a full loaded Dell P490 (have had it for a few years, it was my hackintosh for a while there) with dual 5160s and 16GB of ram (8x2GB for quad channel config) and 4 drives in it. If I had bought a 2006/7 Mac Pro for cheap, would I be impressed with it? Probably not... I would have to spend another few hundred in upgrades and get the quad core cpus, a beefie gpu, etc, etc... Then how much is my cheap Mac Pro and how many features am I still missing from say a new iMac?

I thought about it for days, watched a few ebay auctions, talked to everyone on IRC, co-workers, the boss (the wife), and just couldn't decide what to do. Put and SSD in the iMac? New / used iMac? Get a baseline mini to hold me off for a while? It was a fairly endless conversation with my self.

I really fucking lucked out though. I went to bestbuy last Saturday and managed to find a miss priced open box 2012 base mini. It was marked for $569 CAD which was actually the sale price for the new ones. I bugged the sales rep about it being oddly high for an open box and they repriced it to $499 - but there was a problem. It was going to take 10 minutes for the new price sticker to take hold in the system, so they priced it even lower to $479 since I had to wait. On top of it all, I had a few hundred in gift cards and gift cash in my wallet which officially made this the cheapest new Mac I have ever purchased. :lol: :D

Things I love about it? All the new features. Thunderbolt, USB3, Ivy Bridge performance. All in a very low power, low space package.
Things I hate? The 5400 rpm drive it came with is terrible, worst I have ever had in a mac. I get like 65MB/s in disk perf. It will be replaced, along with an upgrade to 16GB of ram. So I will still have to spend some extra on it, but atleast all of the new features are there.

For shits and giggles, here are some benches of a dual 5160 Mac Pro:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbenc ... %20bits:32

Here is the base 2012 mini (same as mine):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/search?utf8=✓&q=model%3A%22Mac+mini+%28Late+2012%29%22+platform%3A%22Mac%22+processor%3A%22Intel+Core+i5-3210M%22+
EDIT: Sorry, this link is crazy broken, just copy paste it or take my word that the mini generally out benches it.

In fact, here is mine: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1474097

Anyways, I think I will wait for the next model Pros. :)
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby zmttoxics » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:25 pm

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guardian452 wrote:Build quality is not as good as other x86 workstations I've owned and/or used in the past (HP xw series, z800, sun ultra 40, etc).

You had an Ultra 40 ? How did you like it ?


I havent own'ed a 40, but I have seen them and own a 20m2 and work with around 50 20m2s and 20 first gen 20s. My big complaint with the silver workstations is that the cases are a little flimsy. I've seen the panels and chassis warp fairly easily. The plastics (like the front name plate) are a little brittle too, but there isn't much for plastic on them. That said, they are work horses are are still going strong.

If you want a U40, you might do better to look for a Sun Java Workstation 2100z. Very similar hardware with the 939 opterons and supports both SCSI and SATA drives, and its classic quiet purple hardware. A few years ago I got one with 2 cpus and 8GB of ram for $200. The U40s are hard to get that cheap, but its really hard to find drive rails for these guys. If you really want a U40, make sure you get one with both disk planes. This config supports 8 internal drives which makes for an awesome ZFS server. The U20s and the U40s take the classic spud trays so that wouldn't be a problem there.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby smj » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:28 pm

zmttoxics wrote:I really fucking lucked out though. I went to bestbuy last Saturday and managed to find a miss priced open box 2012 base mini.

Yes, yes you did. :) That's an amazingly sweet deal.

There are some Ultra 20's floating around for under $150, I'm tempted to pick one up just to gut it and transfer the MSI 990FX board that's in an old Lian Li aluminum case now. Don't think it qualifies as a case mod, doesn't look like there's any modding required. But then, that's $150 I don't really need to spend -- or could put towards that Philips Hue lighting kit... :lol:
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby zmttoxics » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:56 pm

smj wrote:
zmttoxics wrote:I really fucking lucked out though. I went to bestbuy last Saturday and managed to find a miss priced open box 2012 base mini.

Yes, yes you did. :) That's an amazingly sweet deal.

There are some Ultra 20's floating around for under $150, I'm tempted to pick one up just to gut it and transfer the MSI 990FX board that's in an old Lian Li aluminum case now. Don't think it qualifies as a case mod, doesn't look like there's any modding required. But then, that's $150 I don't really need to spend -- or could put towards that Philips Hue lighting kit... :lol:


Yeah it's probably not worth modding unless you can figure out how to get more disks into it. The base model U40 has room for 4 drives but the U20 only has room for 2 which is a let down. For ~$100 you can get a new case that has a lot more room and functionality.

That said, if you can get a u20m2 for $150, it makes for a nice low power server that supports VT and 16GB of ram. :)
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby hamei » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:18 pm

zmttoxics wrote:If you want a U40, you might do better to look for a Sun Java Workstation 2100z. Very similar hardware with the 939 opterons and supports both SCSI and SATA drives, and its classic quiet purple hardware.

Hope that helps.

Thanks ! It was a temptation since there's a whole bunch of inexpensive 1100 and 2100z's in Beijing from when Sun did all their development up there. Good thing you got rid of all them nasty manufacturing jobs so you could do just the highly-paid knowledge work !

But it looks like the locals got their hands into the mix, every one of them must have been thrown down three flights of stairs. Forcefully.

Ultra 20 out of Japan might still be the best way to go ... (Assist could use a hardware upgrade. We're still sticking with win2k tho :) )

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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby nekonoko » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:17 am

zmttoxics wrote:Things I hate? The 5400 rpm drive it came with is terrible, worst I have ever had in a mac. I get like 65MB/s in disk perf. It will be replaced, along with an upgrade to 16GB of ram.


I did the same, picked up a Samsung 830 256GB SSD and a Mac mini dual drive kit from iFixit. Put the 5400RPM drive is the the top bay and the SSD in the lower. Huge difference in performance.
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby smj » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:49 am

nekonoko wrote:I did the same, picked up a Samsung 830 256GB SSD and a Mac mini dual drive kit from iFixit. Put the 5400RPM drive is the the top bay and the SSD in the lower. Huge difference in performance.

Interesting - are you using the drive fusion stuff, or just using them as two independent volumes?
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby nekonoko » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:12 am

smj wrote:Interesting - are you using the drive fusion stuff, or just using them as two independent volumes?


I've thought about trying drive fusion, but at the moment they're independent. I have MacOS on the SSD and Windows 7 on the standard drive.
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Re: Hackintosh Snow Leopard + iboot, intel dp43tf

Unread postby hamei » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:02 pm

smj wrote: are you using the drive fusion stuff, or just using them as two independent volumes?

zfs ?


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