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Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:07 pm 
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... or you can totally go off on another rant and continue proving my point about having a hard time being emotionally vested in this industry. It's up to you.

PS. I never said you had to buy the latest and spiffiest, btw. If your beloved fuel or 15 year old machine do whatever it is that you need to do with a computer, then good for you use that and be happy. Which is what I basically said already.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:03 pm 
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Yes, I understand that I'm in the minority. Most people only have their computer's covers off a couple of times during the entire time they own it (maybe), whereas I muck about in mine fairly often. Yeah, it's personally a bit irritating at the substantial reduction in options for people like me, but that's because I'm weird.

There is an issue that is more general. Apple crows all about their build quality, and how their machines last longer than many other ones. As others have pointed out, machines today are generally not short CPU cycles, but look at how rapidly the RAM requirements are increasing. 1-2GB 2 years ago, 4GB now, who knows what next. RAM-bumping midlife is pretty much expected now, unless you buy a new machine every two years. Economically, you're best off buying a quality machine with decent RAM now (4GB or so), then planning on RAM-bumping in 2 years or so and replacement in 5. Apple's newest designs do not acknowledge that reality, and while their reality is profitable it doesn't make much sense, unless you're in the corporate market where the labor of mass memory upgrades negates most of the economic benefits (Apple isn't in that market).

The fixed storage issue isn't as big a deal if you view your machine as a satellite with a "semi-archive" storage at home on another server/NAS/external device, but since it is flash-based you could run into problems with the non-upgradable memory forcing paging which kills your device - though there have been hints that perhaps the flash module will be available from third parties, which beats the memory. If you view it as your main machine and use it around the house (thus limiting the use of external storage) and store lots of video on it then the small storage capacity could become limiting, especially if you try to offload daily-use stuff to one of the glacial consumer NAS devices.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:50 pm 
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... or you can totally go off on another rant and continue proving my point about having a hard time being emotionally vested in this industry. It's up to you.

Your point ? you don't have a point. You're just spouting marketing garbage like a good little consumer. Oh jesus god you do text editing ! .And Power Point ! and this one is the killer, even Blue Gene has troubles handling a SPREADSHEET !!!

Shee-it. Do you have brown eyes, by any chance ?


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Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:26 pm 
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I am probably in the minority here, but I use my "computers" for communication and entertainment, not "computing for computing's sake". Which is to say, I'm pretty mainstream, and my mainstream 1.4ghz c2d with 2gb of ram works quite well for me.

You can easily upgrade the disk (one screw holds it in) but since I use a nas at home, 64gb is plenty for me at this time.

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And in other news, people value different things differently, and make different choices as a result.

Hamei, you're acting like an asshole. Your choice, but it's not engendering a lot of interest in hearing what you have to say I think.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:03 pm 
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Can't fault hamei for the courage of his convictions! :twisted: But regardless of that he is also one of the most generously helpful members we have; I for one can never hope to repay him for all the kind assistance he has sent my way... :mrgreen:

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:29 pm 
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I'm not saying he should leave and it's not in my power to cause it even if I were. I'm just saying, being generously helpful shouldn't be a license to act like a jerk the rest of the time. Real "courage of conviction" includes the ability to let other people make their own choices.

I don't need to belabor the point further.

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:57 am 
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Hamei, you're acting like an asshole. Your choice, but it's not engendering a lot of interest in hearing what you have to say I think.

Well, see, here's the deal with that .... I'm not in kindergarten any longer, don't have to worry about getting that check mark under "plays well with others." I don't really give a rat's ass what Americans think. They have abrogated any rights to have an intelligent opinion by the way they have behaved over the past thirty years. Have you looked at the US recently ? Bluntly, it's a piece of shit. And it's not me who did that. 'Project for a New American Century" - are you people insane ?

Fact. Denial is more than a river in Egypt. Do you have eyes ? look around you. The US is a piece of garbage. There's nothing there there. it's gone. You gave it all to "business interests" who made "business decisions" and eviscerated the country. You ain't got shit. Finance, Real Estate, Insurance, Sewage. You got nothin' ....

Listen to R10 ... "computing is moving at such an exponential pace that you can't get attached to any particular flavor" (umm, so "brand" is worthless ?) ... then when questioned what he does ? PowerPoint, text editing, and spreadsheets. Oh whooop-dee-doo. It's all hot air and marketing horseshit.

You guys can stand around and oooh ! and aaaah ! over the Emperor's beautiful royal blue coat with the blazing gold epaulettes and the shimmering tan Italian slacks and the hand-tooled alligator boots all you like. But what's parading down the road is a scrawny limp-dick naked old fart with a pot belly and saggy ass. The consumer computer industry in the US has done nothing for the past ten years. In fact, I'll go a step farther - with the exception of the scientific community telling you that humanity is hell-bent for destruction and you guys grabbing the throttle with both hands to twist it wider, the entire US has done exactly nothing of value ever since the finance -slash - business people took over. For the past thirty years the US has been nothing but leeches. Useless, greedy, ignorant stupid leeches.

I don't really care if people like it or not. You can ooh and aaah the Emperor all you want. I ain't gonna. I'm just speaking truth.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:09 am 
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kjaer wrote:
Your choice, but it's not engendering a lot of interest in hearing what you have to say I think.



hmm.. i for myself like to read hamei's posts. i dont care much about computers, have to work all day with that crap. i own a MBP, thinkpad lifebook,elitebook and at work i mess around with massive unix servers. for me its all the same....machines which steals my time, nothing glorious in it.

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:48 am 
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kjaer wrote:
And in other news, people value different things differently, and make different choices as a result.

Hamei, you're acting like an asshole. Your choice, but it's not engendering a lot of interest in hearing what you have to say I think.

But the topic is "Thoughts on the new macbook" not "Praise the new macbook". You may not like his style, but this shouldn't justify calling him an asshole.

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filed which is progressing at an almost exponential rate...

Actually, it's quite the opposite. It progressed fast in the 90' - compare a typical PC from 1990 to a 2000 PC and now take the latter and compare it to a 2010 PC. The performance jump is much lower. The gains in productivity are also getting smaller and smaller. And since the 3D revolution in the second half of the 90' there were no similar breakthroughs. The retina display is nice to look at, but it's nowhere near as important for productivity and comfort as the jump from huge CRTs to FullHD LCDs, compounded by the fact that we have font anti-aliasing on most platforms. I have both the non-Retina iPhone 3GS and the new iPad with Retina, and my view is that Retina macbooks are not yet worth their price.

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You may not like his style, but this shouldn't justify calling him an asshole.

That's okay, GL .... facts are facts. No point in calling a janitor a "sanitation engineer." :)


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I used to have a 13" White 2007 MacBook (2.16 C2D IIRC) but when it bit the bullet in early 2010 and Apple gave me the chance to upgrade under warranty and I took it with out questioning and got the 15" 2010 MBP with the discrete nvidia graphics and core i5. I immediately regretted it. I ditched larger laptops when I went to the 13" (I had a 17" Toshiba before it) and was never happier. Getting the 15" was a total step backwards in that liberation. That said, my only complaint about 15" IS the size.

So, as many have said before me...

Like: Thinner, lighter, cool screen, wicked fast.
Dislike: Lack of ethernet, super drive (I actually NEED to burn dvds on my MBP regularly), and 0 maintenance options.
Will I be buying one? No, I don't think so. Could I make it fit my needs? Probably, but my 2010 MBP has already seen 3 hard drive upgrades and 2 RAM upgrades and burnt hundreds of DVDs and troubleshooted countless wired networks.

Now, that all said, if the wife to be needs a new home laptop, she would probably *love* it. ;)

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Congratulations!

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Congratulations!

Thanks! :)

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Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:40 am 
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When it comes to text editing, by which I'm pretty sure R-ten-K mean "programming," in my case I find my productivity drops to zero if I don't have a display that can do at least two 80-column files side-by-side at at least size 10 font, which means I need at least 1900 pixels horizontally, and thus I've never been been able to be productive in my day to day work using any laptop screen I've ever been exposed to...

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