kjaer wrote:ianj wrote:I don't like the model of doing file management across directories within a single window to begin with, but for that model, I agree that a shelf is better.
Well, you've never had to do it in a single window, even on NEXTSTEP. Dragging to manage files in a single finder window is totally the pits, and even though it's no big deal to open another one to do some activity and then close it, it irritates me in tiny ways to actually do it.
Sure, you don't have to, but the point is that there is a method for moving files from one place to another without directly dragging them between two simultaneously visible locations. Traditionally on a Mac, this is the only way to move files, but other systems have offered alternatives to account for the possibility of movement between directories within a single window (impossible on a Mac). OS X's Finder is now a weird amalgamation where you can browse directories the NeXT way, but you're still supposed to move files the Mac way, unless you're a Windows "switcher" who wants to copy/paste files, which you can also do. It doesn't have a coherent sense of what kind of file manager it wants to be, which has annoyed me since 10.0 and still does.
kjaer wrote:Thanks for pointing out that what I ACTUALLY meant was "hide this app".
OH. I use that feature constantly. Barely anything outside of Mac OS seems to have it, which is a big factor in keeping me away from other platforms for full-time use. OS X introduced minimize, but I use that maybe once every few weeks. The ability to instantly remove entire applications from the screen and recall them as they were is far more useful to me than what I find myself doing in Windows, GNOME, and KDE (constantly minimizing and restoring windows one by one).
kjaer wrote:You are right that services were there, but almost all of them were missing. "Look up in Dictionary" was the biggest one, followed closely by "New Textedit window containing selection" and "Open URL in OmniWeb". Safari finally has an "Open URL" service since version 3 or so. I remember quite clearly having big problems with this when I switched my primary platform from NS 3.3 to OS X 10.2 in 2002. Maybe the Textedit service was there but didn't work? I forget.
Interesting; I hadn't noticed that Apple was quietly adding NeXT-era entries back to the Services menu, but I haven't spent much time in NEXTSTEP and probably wouldn't have picked up on it anyway. "Open URL in OmniWeb" has been there since day one, though... if you have OmniWeb installed (and at least in my opinion, there's very little reason to trouble with anything other than OmniWeb in OS X).
theinonen wrote:On RISC OS it works like this:
- Click on window to get input focus, window retains it’s position.
- Click on title bar of the window with left mouse button, window comes front and can be normally dragged with left mouse button.
- Drag with right mouse button from the title bar of the window, window moves but does not come front.
RISC OS seems to have a very thoughtful way of doing things. I've only seen a RISC OS machine in action once, though. It would be fun to have one to experiment with.