Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby foetz » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:02 pm

japes wrote:context menus are better on docked apps.


i hate them :D
on 10.5 i had all entries in one list at a glance. now i have to go through (sometimes) several lists to the right. takes me twice the time to use it. no improvement at all :?

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby bri3d » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:21 pm

Was initially bug-tastic for me - beachballs all the time, even after deleting caches etc. (clean install), lots of inconsistencies (especially with third-party and dev software).

After the last few point releases seems to have gotten better.

So basically like any other Mac OS X release.

I think it's pretty much ready for prime-time now - haven't had any issue for a few weeks. My roommate has had sketchy network experiences (lots of random connection droppage and latency) though - probably related to that he roams between networks a lot, but definitely a bug nonetheless.

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby pip » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:28 pm

japes wrote:I installed 10.6 on my old mini (1.66 Core Duo) and MacPro. They both seem fine, except, the Mini studders while playing video in the hulu Player. This is big deal for us since the Mini is connected to our TV and without cable, we use hulu to watch a couple television programs. So far we have been able to watch video from the network websites (cbs.com, fox.com). Certainly a US problem with those sites, but could be indicative of performance or video issues that could affect others. I don't have the hulu player on my MacPro.


For your Hulu problem, have you tried the latest Flash 10.1 beta? It seems to have lower CPU requirements.
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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby shadowless » Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:00 pm

One quick question. Is NTFS 3g required for ntfs r/w ? Is snow leopard suppose to support ntfs r/w on its own.

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby foetz » Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:54 pm

shadowless wrote:Is snow leopard suppose to support ntfs r/w on its own.


yes. but you have to mount it by hand with the rw option.

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby nekonoko » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:26 pm

NTFS 3g works nicely under Snow Leopard. I recently set up a Windows 7 x64 Boot Camp volume on my Mac Pro and use NTFS 3g on the Mac side and Paragon HFS on the Windows side. Technically Boot Camp 3.0 offers a Windows HFS driver of its own, but it frequently bluescreened Windows until I disabled it (and a web search revealed I was not alone in this).
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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby shadowless » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:13 pm

Did the upgrade. Still adjusting to the expose. Otherwise all seems well.

latest Xquartz yet and all my screensaver stop working.

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby foetz » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:15 pm

what do you need screensavers for?

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby josehill » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:02 am

shadowless wrote:all my screensaver stop working.

Yeah, that's one of the issues that the Macintouch link mentions.

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby semi-fly » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:03 am

For $29.00 the 10.6 upgrade is absolutely worth it (of course, I has a seed key which gives me access to the builds regardless, hehe) - I've also tried to promote, help, and encourage people to make the switch. You'll get some disk space back, the Exchange support is fantastic, and overall 10.6 performs amazing well out of the box. The improved installer logic means, for the first time ever, I actually *encourage* people to upgrade rather then perform a clean load :)

For me personally, it's the stability and performance of 10.6 after extended desktop use - I never have reboot my MacBook pro, except for updates, and I leave it running for weeks with dozens of Applications running (Mail.app, Xcode, Safari and Firefox, CS4, etc). It goes from work, to home, to coffee shops, meetings, presentations, Air Plane rides, I let the battery run out and generally beat the living crap out it. It just keeps ticking. Same thing with my 13' Unibody MacBook. In 10.5, I rebooted on a regular basis, usually resulting from Finder hang ups and web browser crashes after extended use.

foetz wrote:the gfx performance is worse than 10.5, filesystem perf.

Interesting. How did you come to that conclusion? Generally speaking, 10.6 and the native apps now have a smaller CPU, memory, and disk-usage footprint, which translates into greater available system resources. Also, Apple engineers have added compression logic (Extended Attributes) and better block storage algorithms to HFS+ in 10.6, so disk performance, if anything should be faster in addition to video.

foetz wrote: as long as there're no apps with grand central and/or opencl support 10.5 is the better choice.

Finder? Mail? Most of the native Applications?

For reference, here are some quick bench marks: http://macperformanceguide.com/SnowLeop ... mance.html
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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby shadowless » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:29 am

I experience something strange after the snow leopard upgrade. My rc flight simulator on vm fusion XP image no longer work proper after the upgrade, seems to be a bug in vm fusion 3.01 graphic driver.

Nevertheless the os is working great but I do miss the old expose.

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby GIJoe » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:25 pm

snow leopard is giving me grief - it doesn't deal well at all with removable media on my box, causing finder to hang and zombify all the time, only to be fixed by a reboot.

with leopard, i restarted the box only for system updates and such - approx. once every three months. with snow leopard, i am doing this several times a week easily - every time the finder locks up proper after using removable media for a bit. boot up/shut down time is noticeably slower now and i can't quite say that i noticed a lot of general speedup otherwise but the machine was fast under leopard anyway. the extra 20 - 30 free gigabytes on the systemdisk are well appreciated though.

unless 10.6.3 solves my problems with the finder (a seemingly common issue well documented on the apple forums), i'll do a clean reinstall - of 10.5, thank you very much. ;)

oh yeah, another thing that has changed for the worse - there are some graphical glitches on the desktop, causing black boxes to pop up on the screen occasionally. like a screen area that's not being refreshed properly. not so in 10.5 (macbook, newer-style intel onboard gfx).

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby foetz » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:12 pm

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foetz wrote:the gfx performance is worse than 10.5, filesystem perf.

Interesting. How did you come to that conclusion?


that's not a secret. apple admitted it on their own. :P
and regarding filesystem speed it's just the usage. opening folders e.g. takes twice as long compared to 10.5. same disk.

Generally speaking, 10.6 and the native apps now have a smaller CPU, memory, and disk-usage footprint, which translates into greater available system resources. Also, Apple engineers have added compression logic (Extended Attributes) and better block storage algorithms to HFS+ in 10.6, so disk performance, if anything should be faster in addition to video.


sounds good but doesn't match the reality. at least in my case.

foetz wrote: as long as there're no apps with grand central and/or opencl support 10.5 is the better choice.

Finder? Mail? Most of the native Applications?


don't care about finder or apple's mail or the native apps.
i want the os to be a secure and solid platform for my apps. not more, not less. and 10.5 is doing a better job there so far.

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby mila » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:11 am

I must say that SL is quicker, on laptop it wakes up rather quick I think I had a problem with handbrake in the beginning not 100% sure.

Just get on the SL train :)

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Re: Snow leopard is it worth the upgrade?

Unread postby foetz » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:34 am

mila wrote:I must say that SL is quicker, on laptop it wakes up rather quick


and is it quicker anywhere else?
no offence but that's not exactly a major factor.


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