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Amiga - and all it's add ons

Unread postby JacquesT » Mon May 14, 2018 5:08 am

I was trawling through YT the other day and noticed just how much peripheral hardware add-ons the Amiga has, they are running USB, compact flash, wifi etc. all off mid to late 80's hardware. (I used to own an A1200, stock, loved it!) As one who doesn't get hardware / software integration that well, how come they can have USB access for mice / keyboard and even floppy emulators?

Is it just that there are more people developing for a broader active market? (and I don't mean this in any way disrespectfully to the SGI community).

What is stopping the development of a hardware stack / software driver for a USB PCI card for say an Octane XIO port / card cage or O2 PCI slot?

I'd dearly love to be able to plug in an 8/16gig memory stick to transfer photos /vdieos etc. from my camera, rather than having to dump it on the NFS server and then transfer to the Octane / O2. My SGI machines would be get used so much more use.

I would happily crowd fund -

a) a reliably web browser
b) USB support, even USB 2.0 is just fine.
:Octane: - 1xR12k 400Mhz, 1GB, V8, 18Gb 10K & 36Gb 15K HDD, 6.5.30
:Octane: - 1xR12k 300Mhz, 384MB, SSE, 18Gb 10K HDD, 6.5.30
:O2: :1600SW: - 300Mhz R5200, 384MB, 36Gb 15K HDD, A/V, FPA, 4x CD-ROM, 6.5.30
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Re: Amiga - and all it's add ons

Unread postby Trippynet » Mon May 14, 2018 5:24 am

JacquesT wrote:What is stopping the development of a hardware stack / software driver for a USB PCI card for say an Octane XIO port / card cage or O2 PCI slot?


In short, scale. For the Amiga, enough were in use for the home market and with hobbyists that the development of such boards has a decent enough market to recoup the costs. For SGIs, there just isn't the demand.

People that want to use a modern browser on IRIX? Maybe up to 100 people or so I'd say. For USB, probably even less than that. This tends to rule out most development of hardware addons, unless they are fairly simple (ie, Kuba's Fuel PSU adapter).

The web browser issue is particularly a difficult one because modern browsers would require so much work to compile under IRIX these days (look at how much time was spent fruitlessly by people on here for later versions of Firefox), plus the diminishing power of old SGIs would mean that such a browser would be very slow. It's often easier these days just to use RDP for browsing - especially as you can run RDP in seamless mode so that Chrome, Firefox etc. running on a PC *looks* as if it is running natively under IRIX.

Sorry to sound like a party-pooper, but that's how it is. If you did want to get Flash support working with IRIX, you'd be better off trying to do it yourself, possibly with a small run of devices/drivers for others that chip in.
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Re: Amiga - and all it's add ons

Unread postby JacquesT » Mon May 14, 2018 9:39 am

Trippynet wrote:
JacquesT wrote:What is stopping the development of a hardware stack / software driver for a USB PCI card for say an Octane XIO port / card cage or O2 PCI slot?


In short, scale. For the Amiga, enough were in use for the home market and with hobbyists that the development of such boards has a decent enough market to recoup the costs. For SGIs, there just isn't the demand.

People that want to use a modern browser on IRIX? Maybe up to 100 people or so I'd say. For USB, probably even less than that.


Yeah, this is what I thought. I'll keep my O2 running in the hopes of the D1 showing up.

I was just pondering the possibility of getting a usb driver going for a standard pci usb card. I'm sure it's been covered before...
:Octane: - 1xR12k 400Mhz, 1GB, V8, 18Gb 10K & 36Gb 15K HDD, 6.5.30
:Octane: - 1xR12k 300Mhz, 384MB, SSE, 18Gb 10K HDD, 6.5.30
:O2: :1600SW: - 300Mhz R5200, 384MB, 36Gb 15K HDD, A/V, FPA, 4x CD-ROM, 6.5.30
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Re: Amiga - and all it's add ons

Unread postby Trippynet » Mon May 14, 2018 12:11 pm

It might be easier to look at trying to create a gadget or something using a Raspberry Pi (or other such mini computer). Insert a USB stick and have a script on the Pi auto-mount it on your network, copy your files over the network from your O2 directly to the mounted flash drive, then a script or trigger or something you could run from the O2 to get the Pi to kill the share and unmount the drive so you could remove it. Almost as good as native flash on IRIX (if not quite as fast), heck you could even try and mount the thing into a 3.5" bay on your system with the USB ports facing forwards.

Sometimes workarounds like these might be easier and a lot cheaper. I certainly found booting a VM of Server 2008 R2, then using a quick shell script on my SGIs to launch rdesktop so that it pulls up a seamless version of Firefox to be both quicker and easier than trying to port one of the later versions to run natively on IRIX...
Systems in use:
:Indigo2IMP: - Nitrogen: R10000 195MHz CPU, 384MB RAM, SolidIMPACT Graphics, 36GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 100Mb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.22
:Fuel: - Lithium: R14000 600MHz CPU, 4GB RAM, V10 Graphics, 72GB 15k HDD & 300GB 10k HDD, 1Gb/s NIC, New/quiet fans, IRIX 6.5.30
Other system in storage: :O2: R5000 200MHz, 224MB RAM, 72GB 15k HDD, PSU fan mod, IRIX 6.5.30


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