A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Additional operating system/hardware discussion (Windows, Linux, *BSD and others)
Forum rules
Any posts concerning pirated software or offering to buy/sell/trade commercial software are subject to removal.
Y888099
Posts: 523
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:00 am

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Y888099 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:13 am

Image

What do you think about this PI-top ?
Basically it's RPI + LCD + battery + keyboard + pad: good toy / bad toy ?
Head Full of Snow. Lemon Scented You

User avatar
ClassicHasClass
Donor
Donor
Posts: 2075
Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:12 pm
Location: Sunny So Cal
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:21 am

I think it's convenient, but not terribly ergonomic. Having the trackpad off to the side is at minimum bad mojo. But ergonomics isn't the point of something like that.

I don't know anything about the screen or battery, either.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

User avatar
commodorejohn
Posts: 652
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:22 pm
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby commodorejohn » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:08 am

Yeah, it's a weird arrangement for a tiny trackpad, plus a rather cramped chiclet keyboard.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/HS-80/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/M1, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Emax HD/Proteus-2, Casio CZ-5000, Moog Satellite, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600

Y888099
Posts: 523
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:00 am

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Y888099 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:48 am

Which laptop has the best(1) keyboard and input device(2) ?

(1) I define "best" as comfortable and ergonomic
(2) trackball, touchpad, trackpad
Head Full of Snow. Lemon Scented You

User avatar
Raion-Fox
Donor
Donor
Posts: 1332
Joined: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:01 pm
Location: near King George, Virginia
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Raion-Fox » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:53 am

Thinkpad hands down. Especially the x60t is my favorite of all time.
:O3x02L: R16000 700MHz 8GB RAM kanna
:Octane: R12000 300MHz SI 896MB RAM yuuka
:Octane2: R12000A 400MHz V6 2.5GB RAM
:Indy: (Acclaim) R4600 133MHz XL Graphics 32MB RAM
:Indy: (Challenge S) R4600 133MHz (MIPS III Build Server)
Thinkpad W530 i7 3940XM 3GHz, 32GB, K1000M Windows 8.1 Embedded rin
Thinkpad R40 Pentium M 1.5GHz 2GB RAM kasha

User avatar
commodorejohn
Posts: 652
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:22 pm
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby commodorejohn » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:11 am

Yep. The Thinkpads aren't perfect (I still long for a modern laptop with a trackball, and newer Thinkpads changed out the keyboard for one of those irritating flat-topped variants,) but they're head and shoulders above almost everything else in the field.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/HS-80/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/M1, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Emax HD/Proteus-2, Casio CZ-5000, Moog Satellite, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600

Y888099
Posts: 523
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:00 am

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Y888099 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:02 am

Raion-Fox wrote:x60t


x61S here :D

commodorejohn wrote:Yep


Which is your favorite?
Head Full of Snow. Lemon Scented You

User avatar
commodorejohn
Posts: 652
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:22 pm
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby commodorejohn » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:19 am

The nicest one I've personally owned was my R61, but the X201 I'm using as a daily driver now is quite nice as well.
Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/HS-80/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/M1, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Emax HD/Proteus-2, Casio CZ-5000, Moog Satellite, Sequential Circuits Prophet-600

User avatar
jirka
Donor
Donor
Posts: 205
Joined: Tue May 04, 2004 7:55 am
Location: Czech Republic
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby jirka » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:44 am

Y888099 wrote:
Raion-Fox wrote:x60t


x61S here :D


The X61s is great. I still use it, too.
:O2: :O2: :1600SW: :1600SW: :Indy: :Indy: :Indigo: :Indigo:

User avatar
Dodoid
Posts: 603
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:36 pm
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Dodoid » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:11 pm

X220 here. I'm always on the lookout for a broken 701c or 701cs (I have a working one but don't want to cut it up) to convert into an ARM (or maybe x86) SBC-powered thingy. I bet the keyboard protocol, whatever it is, could be sorted out with an Arduino/Teensy.
:Onyx: :O2000: :Fuel: :Octane: :Octane: :Octane: :O2: :O2: :Indigo2: :Indigo2: :Indy: :Indy:
and a small army of Image

User avatar
Krokodil
Donor
Donor
Posts: 477
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:32 pm
Location: The House of Particular Individuals

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Krokodil » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:04 pm

T61P from 2008. Screen died in 2011, so I put it into long term layup, until last year I got a wrecker off fleabay and put the screen on mine and it works like it never had any issues.
:Octane2: - :O2: - :Octane: - :Indigo2IMP:

User avatar
spiroyster
Donor
Donor
Posts: 145
Joined: Thu May 03, 2012 8:24 am
Location: Somerset, UK

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby spiroyster » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:12 am

Yep x60 here since 2010 (and a spare). It's pretty much my daily driver for personal. Almost 10 years old, Win 8.1 Pro, SSD, smooth transitions, uber repsonsive, multiple ebay tabs, single youtube video.... no problem :).

Love the keyboard, CPU bit weak/slow with a few things, but nothing that I require outside of my work laptop so suits me fine. And I'm liking the square aspect in a world of letterboxes.

Tablet/stylus is great, while it works, however is guareenteed to pack-up and take part of the mouse driver with it?? It works fine at first but then, while is still registers the touches (little animation of the touch occuring), and mouse follows correctly, button's don't always register correctly. Flipping into laptop mode, the mouse no longer registers the button clicks o.0 arghh. Restart and its fine. Anyone else have this problem?

x230 tablet is next on my list o.0

2017 non-x86 guide? looking like a vintage thinkpad shill fest atm :roll: :lol: :shock:

User avatar
guardian452
Donor
Donor
Posts: 3429
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:12 pm
Location: United States
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby guardian452 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:37 pm

Y888099 wrote:Which laptop has the best(1) keyboard and input device(2) ?

(1) I define "best" as comfortable and ergonomic
(2) trackball, touchpad, trackpad

Keep in mind I'm typing this on my w520 at work, but thinkpads would be a distant second to the razer blades. The blade pro also has the pad to the right like the pi-top. But it's YUUUGE in every dimension. After a while it becomes second nature.

I have an x220 with a trashed battery here as well. OK, the whole machine is pretty much trashed. This keyboard, ironically, is much better. On par with the razer. Firm and clicky but the travel is still excessive (this is subjective). Even though it's supposedly the same part and FRU they are different IDs. Both made by LH.

Keys occasionally get stuck or don't press, key travel is mushy and exaggerated, you get to choose between a tiny horrible trackpad or a clitmouse, which is great if you switch between kb and mouse alot, but not very accurate when covering large distances. The clitmouse is vastly superior to the tiny skating rink on a thinkpad, but it's not nearly as good as a razer (or even apple) trackpad.

So some thinkpads have great keyboards, some have horrible keyboards, the clitmouse is what it is, the trackpads are universally awful but better than newer thinkpads that don't even have separate mouse buttons. Just for the record I've owned at least half-dozen thinkpads personally because I really do like them, and have purchased over a dozen more for business use, but I can't honestly say they are the best anymore and the keyboards are certainly hit-or-miss. I've only owned 2 razer laptops so far but every one I've tried feels amazing to type on.

One of the best thinkpad keyboards I've ever used, next to one of the worst... Actually, I just had a lightbulb moment... I should swap them :P

DSC_0235.JPG


ClassicHasClass wrote:Having the trackpad off to the side is at minimum bad mojo.

You get used to it fine. But I agree, that one in particular looks way too small to do anything with.
7925edba319ab0113082ef56c5fce5ff-1500x1000-10.png
(stock photo)

User avatar
ClassicHasClass
Donor
Donor
Posts: 2075
Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:12 pm
Location: Sunny So Cal
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:58 pm

So, about those NON x86 systems!
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

User avatar
guardian452
Donor
Donor
Posts: 3429
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:12 pm
Location: United States
Contact:

Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby guardian452 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:54 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:So, about those NON x86 systems!

So this is probably still OT but I'm just wondering aloud what the possibility of an ARM macbook will be in the next few years. I mean, the ipad pro is as powerful
(if not moreso) as the macbook already.


Return to “Miscellaneous Operating Systems/Hardware”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests