A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby guardian452 » Thu May 04, 2017 7:58 pm

So there was a big hubbub about the ME this week. https://twit.tv/shows/security-now/episodes/610

Since my laptop doesn't have the vPro processor (i7-6500u), doesn't have a built-in ethernet jack (there is one in the dock, through a TB3 bridge etc....), an aftermarket wifi chip, etc, I assume I am pretty well safe. I ran the Intel ME check and I got Error 9260: Unknown or unsupported hardware platform. It's hardly available on "every" PC.

It sounds like the issues come through the use of "professional" PC hardware meant for datacenters etc or large IT centers that require these special remote management features.
INTEL-SA-00075 wrote:This vulnerability does not exist on Intel-based consumer PCs.
Apparentl the machines you or I would buy, Joe Public, don't have this feature in the first place.


It also sounds like a sure way around this problem is to use an AMD system (they still exist :?: :idea: )

Added: Had a look in my BIOS to see, yup, there really is no ME here... (also, apparently phpbb doesn't know how to rotate images properly, LOL. but full screen it is fine)
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Raion-Fox » Thu May 04, 2017 8:35 pm

guardian452 wrote:It sounds like the issues come through the use of "professional" PC hardware meant for datacenters etc or large IT centers that require these special remote management features. Our thinkpads at work probably have this even tho we've never used it... would disable it if I could


Not quite. The ME exists on every Intel system since 2008, besides some Atoms, but the role of it is different. The bug here was with the AMT. I ran me_cleaner on my machine to prevent it from being hacked. Unfortunately, the wider world is a bit confused on the issue.

guardian452 wrote:It also sounds like a sure way around this problem is to use an AMD system (they still exist :?: :idea: )


If you get a Bulldozer or before, then yes. But the newer AMDs have the PSP, and while AMD has talked about open sourcing it, it wouldn't solve the problems with it, as they're likely to embed microcode images and still not give out a signing key, so its not like we could disable or replace it.

me_cleaner on a Broadwell or before system is the best option, but make sure its compatible with your machine before you brick something.
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby IAMNOTDEFECTIVE » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:11 pm

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ClassicHasClass wrote:I still want a Talos.


Me too


Just had a look of what one of those were, and I can see why you want one! I definitely want one now: It has so much power for a RISC-based processor! It's also unique in this day'n'age as if you want one of these bad boys you need to buy a server, where's the MB can also be used in desktop workstations which I really like the sound of... :)

I can already imagine how the POWER8 would benefit my work flow... :lol:
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby IAMNOTDEFECTIVE » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:31 am

So I decided to do a bit of window shopping on SPARC-based systems. Found some UltraSPARC III(i) workstations which I found really interesting. Additionally I found a M4000 for about £200 (Inc postage) which had a nice specs strapped on considering how much these are usually going for... I could not find any SPARC64 VII workstations, like AT ALL! :P

The main problem I faced however while I was looking at these systems, is that the graphics cards are severally outdated (or non-existent with the M4000) and I can't see how you can add a more modern GPU (like a Quadro or something along those lines) into these systems - which for someone in my specific field with my specific OTT peripherals, it's not a good place to be in when your looking at these high-end systems from a decade past... :? / :lol:
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby commodorejohn » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:34 am

Yeah, you can get anything that isn't the Ultra 45 (which scalpers have latched onto for being The Fastest SPARC Workstation) for a pretty reasonable price. I really ought to do more with my Blade 2000, but it seems like most of the open-source Solaris ports are business/server-oriented stuff.
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Y888099 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:06 am

Now we have intel i9
still super-expensive but
-1- they will make i7 cheap
-2- they give more power under finger-tips

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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby IAMNOTDEFECTIVE » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:09 am

commodorejohn wrote:Yeah, you can get anything that isn't the Ultra 45 (which scalpers have latched onto for being The Fastest SPARC Workstation) for a pretty reasonable price. I really ought to do more with my Blade 2000, but it seems like most of the open-source Solaris ports are business/server-oriented stuff.


I noticed, again the trouble with these machines and the reason I can't use it as my main workstation is the graphics card. Partly due to the fact my renderer is obviously is at it's best using the GPU, but more importantly it doesn't have Dual-Link DVI and/or DP connections. I have 2 Dell UltraSharp 3008WFP monitors and a Cintiq 18SX currently hooked up to my Hackintosh VW, so a RISC-based machine needs to have this capability before I would seriously consider it, and since I can't see any documented success on installing a more modern GPU from ATi or NVIDIA on a SPARC system that has Linux installed, I can't consider using this architecture very seriously...

This annoys me because there are a few good options there, but even a Quad PowerPC G5 system can't go higher then a Quadro 4500FX/GF7800GTX, It just puts any potential options into an unglammering light... :( / :lol:
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Y888099 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:01 pm

Sure, Linux is NOT good for workstation-purposes, especially on RISC-machines.

btw, going to download the last toolchain from Lattice, and ...

Diamond v3.9, Download available for
  • Windows/32bit
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  • Linux-x86/64bit

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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Shiunbird » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:09 am

IAMNOTDEFECTIVE wrote:This annoys me because there are a few good options there, but even a Quad PowerPC G5 system can't go higher then a Quadro 4500FX/GF7800GTX, It just puts any potential options into an unglammering light... :( / :lol:


I think Luigi Burdo (check him out on YouTube) has managed to use newer cards on his Quad G5 on Linux.
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby IAMNOTDEFECTIVE » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:47 am

Shiunbird wrote:
IAMNOTDEFECTIVE wrote:This annoys me because there are a few good options there, but even a Quad PowerPC G5 system can't go higher then a Quadro 4500FX/GF7800GTX, It just puts any potential options into an unglammering light... :( / :lol:


I think Luigi Burdo (check him out on YouTube) has managed to use newer cards on his Quad G5 on Linux.


So he has... I've also found a listing for a mini 6-pin to 6-pin adapter that is (apparently) comparable with the later generation G5s, so I might be able to put something like a FirePro W7000 in it... I would go with ATi here (normally would choose NVIDIA) because of the open-source drivers... Has a better chance of it working... :lol:

But yeah... What Luigi Burro has done is quite informative indeed... ;)
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Shiunbird » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:37 am

IAMNOTDEFECTIVE wrote:So he has... I've also found a listing for a mini 6-pin to 6-pin adapter that is (apparently) comparable with the later generation G5s, so I might be able to put something like a FirePro W7000 in it... I would go with ATi here (normally would choose NVIDIA) because of the open-source drivers... Has a better chance of it working... :lol:


Jokes aside, if you succeed in whatever, please document and share. I'm still rocking the FX4500 (not that I push it very hard), but whatever newer that works interests me. =)
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Dodoid » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:18 pm

https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707

Pinebook looks nice. 64 bit ARM-powered MacBook Air looking thing (in MacBook Air sizes!) for $90 or $100.
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby IAMNOTDEFECTIVE » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:29 pm

Shiunbird wrote:
IAMNOTDEFECTIVE wrote:So he has... I've also found a listing for a mini 6-pin to 6-pin adapter that is (apparently) comparable with the later generation G5s, so I might be able to put something like a FirePro W7000 in it... I would go with ATi here (normally would choose NVIDIA) because of the open-source drivers... Has a better chance of it working... :lol:


Jokes aside, if you succeed in whatever, please document and share. I'm still rocking the FX4500 (not that I push it very hard), but whatever newer that works interests me. =)


Me actually getting a G5 is still entirely theoretical, but if I do get one I and if I do get a more modern GPU up and running inside it - I'll be sure to document it somewhere on the form!
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:25 am

Dodoid wrote:https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707

Pinebook looks nice. 64 bit ARM-powered MacBook Air looking thing (in MacBook Air sizes!) for $90 or $100.


They're out of the 11" (I tried, they refunded my money). It looks like a nice little unit as long as you don't expect too much, but I wasn't interested when only the larger size was available.
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Re: A Guide on Your Options for non-x86 Computers (2017)

Unread postby Dodoid » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:39 am

I would like one of the 14" boxes to run Kronos, I think I might order soon. IMO 12.5" (New MacBook, ThinkPad X220, etc.) is the minimum. Anything less is cramped and awkward.
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