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Re: X11 Xterm, suggestion?

Unread postby robespierre » Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:41 am

HP Envizex might fit those parameters. The days of the X terminal are long ago unfortunately...
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Re: X11 Xterm, suggestion?

Unread postby robespierre » Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:04 pm

The Envizex II supported 100BaseTX and 16-bit DirectColor. But finding one of them now is too difficult.

Another option might be the NCD NC900.
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Re: X11 Xterm, suggestion?

Unread postby jwp » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:42 pm

You have run into the dilemma of Unix hobbyists everywhere. A lot of interesting old hardware is slow as shit, loud, rare, and almost too old to be useful.

New hardware is boring but fast and featureful. Any little Intel Atom box running Linux or whatever BSD will smoke any old hardware Xterm in every conceivable way. Performance, power consumption, image quality, X11 features, etc. It will also do X11+SSH, and maybe give you a rimjob too.

Recently I was watching an old HP 9000 workstation boot up. It took over 5 minutes to get from power switch to X11 CDE. These days, you can run CDE on any processor, and it will be much faster and also boot in a few seconds -- and not use hundreds of watts and sound like a jet engine. So really, which system is better at running CDE and other applications? In the 1990s, everyone would have thought that today's puny Atom was some super workstation of the future.

So the question is whether this hardware and these operating systems are so compelling that you want the big loud heavy hardware and slow performance that goes along with them. If you're a hobbyist, maybe you really do because you want a piece of history. But at this point, there is almost no sweet spot where you can get something that is genuinely useful in the modern world and yet still novel and cool from a historical perspective.
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Re: X11 Xterm, suggestion?

Unread postby tingo » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:02 am

Do you have any pictures of your XP217? The Terminals wiki have very little on it: http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/in ... nix_XP217C
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Re: X11 Xterm, suggestion?

Unread postby robespierre » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:09 am

There are some cool machines on that wiki. I have wanted an Ann Arbor Ambassador for years, but I don't think there are any left.
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Re: X11 Xterm, suggestion?

Unread postby smj » Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:20 pm

Tek made excellent X terminals - I got to wrangle some back in the early 90s - but any (pre-thin client) X terminal is going to be stuck with an archaic version of X.

Thin clients are your best bet for something that can support X w/o running a full Linux distro. Have a look here for candidates - I'm partial to the HP T57xx models and the Wyse R90L (Dual DVI! A tiny GPU!), but there are a lot of candidates of varying capability and cost.

Most of them will be running WinXP Embedded or a stripped down Linux, but you'll still probably be lagging behind current protocol versions. Something to be said for finding or making a stripped down Linux or *BSD image to run on them...
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Re: X11 Xterm, suggestion?

Unread postby necron2600 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:38 pm

Regarding the comment:
"So the question is whether this hardware and these operating systems are so compelling that you want the big loud heavy hardware and slow performance that goes along with them. If you're a hobbyist, maybe you really do because you want a piece of history. But at this point, there is almost no sweet spot where you can get something that is genuinely useful in the modern world and yet still novel and cool from a historical perspective"

"genuinely useful" is subjective. No youtube and no world of warcraft.. yeah, they are probably not useful for that.

Same with a classic car. "Big loud heavy hardware and slow performance". There are plenty of people who enjoy classic cars and even use daily. They get the job done and more.

Some of my classic cars are older than I am.. so its not always about nostalgia. Its an appreciation for how they were made, never to be reproduced again in the same way, more beautiful lines and curves.. pieces of art in their own right. How they feel, how they smell.. sitting in a new/modern car may not excite everyone.. less raw, less 'machine', less control. .

A classic UNIX workstation has a magic about them when compared to modern systems. The IRIX desktop and apps have a feel.. a 'smell'.. down-to-business attitude without fluff.. no airbags bulging out door panels.... without 10mph impact bumpers.. full access to the engine and components including dipsticks (those seem to be missing these days).. instead of throw-away computer components and plastic engine covers... like a UNIX command line exposing the OS in all its beauty.. instead of point-n-click everything. Virus free (but not worms).. and out of the hacker spotlight that plagues modern systems.

Today's Cloud Computing phenomenon can allow the modern use of classic systems. A classic system or a modern system end up the same when accessing cloud resources. Where ipads and iphones lead to 'web browser' and content consumption, this leaves real work to be done on a classic. Graphics, 3D, coding, IT/administration, documentation/publishing, you name it.. its doable on a classic UNIX workstation.

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