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 Post subject: Choosing an SSD
Unread postPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:27 am 
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I decided to treat myself to an SSD. I've been reading up on SSD:s the last week and I figured the OCZ Vertex 3 120GB that fits my price point and requirements is the drive for me.

Any reason I shouldn't go with this drive? What have I missed.

Also, while on the subject. Is there any IDE SSD drives that doesn't suck. Most seems to be based on the JMicron JMF602 which has gotten less than stellar reviews (it slows down with usage since it lacks TRIM and it displays an annoying "stuttering" due to high latency in random writes). Is it still worth swapping out an old 5400rpm laptop drive?

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
Unread postPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:02 pm 
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(i only have experience w/ macs but) go for one

i bought one for wife's 13 mbp a couple of months back (thanks japes), my 11 mbp sports one too. most decent computer upgrade i had lately. sort of upgrading 2->16 megs of ram 20 years ago :)

there's a thread in here where skywriter et al discuss the highs+lows, but iirc he's talking about enterprise-class hardware/specs.


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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
Unread postPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:03 pm 
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Pontus wrote:
I decided to treat myself to an SSD. I've been reading up on SSD:s the last week and I figured the OCZ Vertex 3 120GB that fits my price point and requirements is the drive for me.

AFAIK, these are good.

Pontus wrote:
Also, while on the subject. Is there any IDE SSD drives that doesn't suck. Most seems to be based on the JMicron JMF602 which has gotten less than stellar reviews (it slows down with usage since it lacks TRIM and it displays an annoying "stuttering" due to high latency in random writes). Is it still worth swapping out an old 5400rpm laptop drive?

FWIW, I haven't found any IDE SSD drive which I thought was worth the price. I'll live with conventional hard drives in my old laptops for now.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
Unread postPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:16 pm 
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I bought an OWC Mercury EXTREME Pro 6G 120GB for my MacBook Pro (13", 2011). It's basically a Vertex3, but it has been verified to work with the MB, and OWC supplies firmware updates for MacOS so I don't have to struggle to boot the Mac from a linux CDROM. It comes with a 5 year warranty, and was about 20 bucks more than a regular Vertex3.

I'm still awaiting delivery. Will order an 8GB RAM upgrade as well and do the upgrade to Lion at the same time.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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just in case:

j-j's & mine SSDs and the US/EU distributors are mentioned here


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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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I've had:

2 imation m-class 60gb: drives failed after a few months
2 Crucial 64gb: drives failed after a few months
2 OCZ Agility 2 60gb: Sold about a year ago, worked on in RAID 0
2 Corsair Force 3 60gb: Running for 3 months in RAID 0 on my Phenom II X6 perfectly
1 OCZ Vertex Plus 30gb: Running in my Acer netbook with Windows 8 perfectly

At the end of the day, I'm still a fan of 4xWestern Digital Black 1TBs shortstroked in RAID 0.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:56 pm 
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Adrenaline wrote:
At the end of the day, I'm still a fan of 4xWestern Digital Black 1TBs shortstroked in RAID 0.


With the prices the way they are I'd go 0+1 or 6 and have a little redundancy.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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Adrenaline wrote:
At the end of the day, I'm still a fan of 4xWestern Digital Black 1TBs shortstroked in RAID 0.


With the prices the way they are I'd go 0+1 or 6 and have a little redundancy.


Agreed if you've got 6 free ports, it wasn't until I got a 990X series Asus board 2 months ago that I had 8 SATA ports built into a motherboard. I hope that becomes standard for the mid-high end boards.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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Adrenaline wrote:
I hope that becomes standard for the mid-high end boards.

6 ports is now standard even in the low end on both Intel and AMD motherboards. Even on the targeted for nettops Brazos platform you can have 6 S-ATA ports.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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GL1zdA wrote:
Adrenaline wrote:
I hope that becomes standard for the mid-high end boards.

6 ports is now standard even in the low end on both Intel and AMD motherboards. Even on the targeted for nettops Brazos platform you can have 6 S-ATA ports.


True. but like in my main workstation:

2xCorsair Force 3's in RAID 0
4xWD Black 1TBs in RAID 0
1xLG Blu-Ray Writer
1xFront eSATA port

All 8 are used, if I would have skimped down to the 970 series board I wouldn't have had enough ports for a front eSATA or optical drive.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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I'd be very cautious in using SSDs for critical applications. I owned a first gen OCZ Apex which, luckily, still works, alas I don't use it except as a very fast external HDD. Then I owned a second generation OCZ Vertex which catastrophically failed after a few months of use. The actual controller failed, not the flash chips. Ended up paying a lot of money to have the chips soldered off, dumped, restored and got 60000 files without metadata. Not nice. Since then I've stayed away from SSDs.

WD Scorpio Black and Blue are the way to go.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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Three months ago I built a new workstation for personal use. I have the Intel’s X25-M SSD on it and I am extremely happy with the hard disk drive. It is really fast :). However, I do not use it to store critical data, I just have the operating system and the applications on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:30 pm 
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fu wrote:
j-j's & mine SSDs and the US/EU distributors are mentioned here

My experience with OWC has been mixed so far.

I ordered my SSD around the time that Lion came out. Since I had to open the MacBook I also upgraded the RAM from 4 to 8GB and did a fresh install of Lion. So in fact I changed 3 things (the SSD, the RAM and the OS). Me bad, because since then I've suffered from beach ball effects :cry: I suspected the wireless, but when firmware upgrade for the SSD was released I was eager to try it out.

My SSD is the "Extreme Pro 6G", and I have an early 2011 MacBook Pro, the only MacBook with SATA 6G ports, and therefore the only MacBook where it makes sense to install this SSD. It is also about the only MacBook NOT supported by their firmware updater :oops: (I don't have bootcamp / Windows).

In the end I took the SSD to a Windows PC, and upgraded the firmware. This, of course was what I had wanted to avoid when I shelled out what is essentially a Vertex3 with Mac support. I was surprised to see the PC (and the OWC utility) detect it as an "Electra 6G" (the entry level model). There's even an 'Electra' sticker on the front, even though the sticker on the back says 'Mercury Pro 6G". But the serial# on the back didn't match what the firmware utility showed.

Hmmm :evil:

It will be RMA-ed tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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Not to thread cap, I did a little write up a little over a year ago http://www.jarredcapellman.com/to-ssd-or-not-ssd/ SSD prices have come down and performance has increased so I might revisit it if there's enough demand.

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 Post subject: Re: Choosing an SSD
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jan-jaap wrote:
I was surprised to see the PC (and the OWC utility) detect it as an "Electra 6G" (the entry level model). There's even an 'Electra' sticker on the front, even though the sticker on the back says 'Mercury Pro 6G". But the serial# on the back didn't match what the firmware utility showed.

Does the word "China" figure anywhere in this story ? You guys are going to have to become a lot more cunning if you want to keep buying stuff from here :P


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