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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby VenomousPinecone » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:19 pm

Dodoid wrote:(Dom0 would still have it, but who cares, it's Dom0, it's job is literally to run a WM and confirm file copies).

That is the part I would want most secure. If Dom0 is compromised, the rest of the VM's are trivial to compromise. Which would defeat the purpose of using Qubes.

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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby Dodoid » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:41 pm

Of course, Dom0 would still have systemd, and Dom0 should be the most secure, but it's without a network connection (this is something done by Xen's VT-d passthrough of the networking devices to sys-net, not some sort of firewall on dom0 itself) attacking it would be rather difficult. I don't really hold an opinion on systemd, but from what I can tell it's criticisms are far more directed at philosophy and UNIX-ness rather than security. Even if systemd did present somewhat of a substantial security risk (dbus complaints may be valid but seemingly only so in cases where dbus is horribly secured for unrelated reasons, for example completely exposed to the network) which would be evaded by non-systemd operating systems, I think that a containerized OS with systemd is still likely to do better in overall security than an uncontainerized OS without. Remember, an attack affecting dom0 and originating from the outside world would have to exploit a vulnerability in either the Xen hypervisor or in the Qubes tools like qrexec, not in Linux.
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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby VenomousPinecone » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:48 pm

Dodoid wrote:[...]but from what I can tell it's criticisms are far more directed at philosophy and UNIX-ness rather than security.

Certain search engines have long standing ties with the intelligence community, and it would naturally be in their best interest to make it appear that way. What a shocking set of circumstances, it must be pure coincidence! :)

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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby Dodoid » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:56 pm

VenomousPinecone wrote:
Dodoid wrote:[...]but from what I can tell it's criticisms are far more directed at philosophy and UNIX-ness rather than security.

Certain search engines have long standing ties with the intelligence community, and it would naturally be in their best interest to make it appear that way. What a shocking set of circumstances, it must be pure coincidence! :)


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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby VenomousPinecone » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:01 pm

Dodoid wrote:I use ixquick.

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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby Dodoid » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:28 pm

I'm not kidding! Sorry for potato pics.
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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby praetor242 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:42 pm

I'm completely Windows free. I have my IRIX machines, my Macs, and my Raspis. My mom's system is Windows, but I never use it, and I've about got her talked into getting a Mac. Cuz Windows 10 sux.
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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby guardian452 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:41 am

praetor242 wrote:Cuz Windows 10 sux.

Really? Because after using the mac since around 10.4 I got a windows machine last year and really like it.

Different strokes, I guess...

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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby Raion-Fox » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:19 am

Windows 8 and 10 are no good. But 7 is okay, as is 8.1 Embedded Industry Pro with some necessary tweaks.
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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby itsvince725 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:37 am

Are you referring to "Windows 9"?
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Unread postby Raion-Fox » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:01 pm

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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby itsvince725 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:21 pm

I'm curious about it but actually getting 8.1 Embedded is kinda tough.
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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby Raion-Fox » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:00 pm

It is. I have a connection for it, but its quasi-illegal the way I can get it. For now, I'm sticking with 7 Pro.
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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby VenomousPinecone » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:50 pm

Dodoid wrote:I'm not kidding!

That is what makes it funny. What makes it sad is that you don't know why it is funny.

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Re: Turning your back on windows

Unread postby Dodoid » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:42 pm

VenomousPinecone wrote:
Dodoid wrote:I'm not kidding!

That is what makes it funny. What makes it sad is that you don't know why it is funny.


Ahh I see, you think that it's ironic to use a privacy focused search engine while the government is controlling my mind using systemd rays :mrgreen: .
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