Obtaining licenses for old software

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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby Intuition » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:08 am

Oh jeez, there is a Pixar folder with many versions of Renderman Artist Tools and Renderman Studio. The holy grail of Render setups at the time.

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BUT.. it looks like its for Maya 3 and 4 only.. based on the *.so files it installed. . :/ No maya 3 or 4 on this computer.. or at least in this BU folder. That's weird. Wonder why its there?

Even a license file with the Host ID already in it. :/ Hmm.
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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby japes » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:33 am

GIJoe wrote:
japes wrote:So as long as no one is bothering Autodesk I'm sure they could be convinced to not care. The moment they have to deal with it they have to start talking to $2000/day lawyers and $1500/day technical staff and managers and that's why we can't have nice things.


actually there's this reputation that they indeed ... care. ;) they are kinda famous for their hat squad, having customer offices searched and machines taken away if there's evidence of illegal software use. as long as there's a way to slap somebody with a fine i think they are still game! :lol:
not the only ones either, it has to be said.


I didn't say they don't care, I suggested maybe through proper channels and negotiation they could be convinced not to care. But I was reminded that a product may have licensed products or code within and even if the copyright owner of graphics program XYZ for IRIX couldn't care if their ancient tool is available on a dying collection of old computers....they certainly won't want to be on the hook for licenses they would need to pay to another company that provides graphics library 123 that was used by the original product in question.
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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby GIJoe » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:09 pm

well, what proper channels would we be talking here? sure - if you are acquainted with their CEO through golf or something i'm sure 'negotiations' could be swift and productive. ;)

however they wouldn't even be able to just test their own software even if they agreed to open it up - would they?

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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby Raion-Fox » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:29 pm

Trading in old software being a prohibition here was a major contributing factor for me starting my own forum.

I understand nobody here wanting to deal with the liability. That's a choice, but I think for such a software oriented hobby it is a huge barrier to entry that should have sort of public channel so we don't have to deal in the underground!
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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby vishnu » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:52 pm

I too have called AW (now known as Autodesk) about an IRIX license for Maya 6.5 Unlimited; they said no, so I'm using the Hax Force license, and it works great. Hey AW! Join here and PM me; I'll give you my name, my home address and my phone number, and you can send the License Cops to come and lock me up in Hackertraz for the rest of time! :lol:
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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby Intuition » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:19 am

Snagged a Maya 3 Irix disc (Unlimited and complete) off Ebay this morning. $20. :D

The 300mhz o2 has aw.dat entries for 3 and 4 even though there was no Maya 3 or 4 installed or any awdist folders in the BU folder.

So I am hoping this disc will let me install it and the current aw.dat entries work.

Same seller has a Maya 2.0 complete disc set with some other bundle. There is no 2.0 entry in my dat files though so.. :/
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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby heavyfuel » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:28 am

Raion-Fox wrote:Trading in old software being a prohibition here was a major contributing factor for me starting my own forum.

I understand nobody here wanting to deal with the liability. That's a choice, but I think for such a software oriented hobby it is a huge barrier to entry that should have sort of public channel so we don't have to deal in the underground!


Not that I'm going to sell anything but I'd like to know - just out of curiosity - what legal problems are related to reselling commercial software here?

I guess it depends of the country of jurisdiction of course. As far as I know, it's legal to resell software licenses in the EU - even those Windows OEM license stickers as long as they are genuine and not copied/stolen/keygen'd. Is it harder in the USA?

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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby Raion-Fox » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:04 am

No, but this forum has been around since 2003, during which time IRIX was still being developed. I imagine it hasn't been reconsidered since then.
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Re: Obtaining licenses for old software

Unread postby josehill » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:16 pm

heavyfuel wrote:As far as I know, it's legal to resell software licenses in the EU {snip} Is it harder in the USA?

The laws on the subject are substantially different in the USA than in the EU. Relatively speaking, the USA gives significantly more weight than does the EU to the person/organization granting the license than to the person receiving the license. While the risk of legal action is less for "obsolete" software than for currently marketed software, it is not zero. In some cases, if a license grantor fails to enforce its older licenses, even on software that no longer is sold, it can impact the grantor's ability to protect its rights on newer software. As a result, there can be pressure to enforce licenses that may appear almost worthless to some.

In the past, the owner of this site (a single, USA-based individual) has received unpleasant communications from corporate lawyers threatening unpleasant consequences because of attempts by users of this site to buy/sell/trade licensed software. That's not a hypothetical situation; it has happened. Different people may have different opinions regarding the enforceability of those consequences, but the bottom line is that the owner decided that it would be much easier to ban the buying/selling/trading of commercial software on the forum entirely, rather than attempting to guess what might trigger a lawyer in any specific case. It's a simple rule, and he hasn't had to deal with corporate lawyers ever since.

Please remember that the owner hosts the site as a hobby, in his spare time, without ads, without selling your information, and, aside from occasional voluntary donations from the community, at his cost. The fewer headaches he has, the better it is for this forum.

This subject comes up periodically, so if you want more information, feel free to search the forums for the word "lawyer." Thanks for your cooperation.


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