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SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby hetabaka » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:49 am

Hey, all. Long story short, I decided to install Softwindows on my Octane and, for whatever reason, wasn't thinking about the licensing involved.

For those of you who do or have run it, did you just have a legitimate license from however long ago, did they release some kind of end of life hobbyists license or are we talking a crack situation that I shouldn't even be discussing here?

Thanks, fellas.

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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby vishnu » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:49 pm

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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby SAQ » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:20 pm

SoftWindows has Microsoft code in it. Microsoft doesn't believe in giving anything away, ever, unless it helps them immediately in their mission to try and take over the world. SoftWindows for IRIX doesn't, so they won't ever give it away.
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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby PymbleSoftware » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:42 pm

We used SoftWindows on IRIX in defence company (1a) and OMG... it was painful. You could play buzz word bingo in a meeting between screen updates.
I have never been masochistic enough to mess with it since. I'd strongly suggest rdesktop in nekoware.

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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby hetabaka » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:58 pm

Yeah, I figured MS would probably have some qualms about that. But, you never know.

And thanks for the link to that techpubs doc -- though I wasn't really trying to figure out how the license manager operated at just this moment, I'm sure the doc will be really helpful.

I was already reading through what I could find on the board about the software, so I've definitely heard the speed complaints. But I'm just curious to take some legacy proprietary IRIX software for a spin. It's that collecter's itch, I guess.

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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby SAQ » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:07 pm

MS doesn't have any qualms at all about it - they've always been very clear and definite with the "no way, no how".
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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby hamei » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:52 am

hetabaka wrote: But I'm just curious to take some legacy proprietary IRIX software for a spin.

Umm, if you want to take some legacy proprietary Irix software for a spin, then SoftWindows is not exactly what you're looking for ...

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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby hetabaka » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:53 pm

Haha, good point. I guess it was more 'Hey, it was in with my install media. May as well give it a go.'

Edit: I'm also actually pretty surprised at it's performance; it's clipping along pretty happily. But, then again, hardware is an obviously huge factor and this is a dual 300 Octane.

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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby Axatax » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:07 am

SoftWindows has Microsoft code in it. Microsoft doesn't believe in giving anything away, ever, unless it helps them immediately in their mission to try and take over the world. SoftWindows for IRIX doesn't, so they won't ever give it away.


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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby SAQ » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:54 pm

Axatax wrote:
SoftWindows has Microsoft code in it. Microsoft doesn't believe in giving anything away, ever, unless it helps them immediately in their mission to try and take over the world. SoftWindows for IRIX doesn't, so they won't ever give it away.


Are you late for your Wall Street protest??


No, after explaining a couple of hundred times why company X is highly unlikely to open-source or give away product Y one tends to get a bit gruff about it, especially when a particular company (MS) has gone on record with a "we don't give stuff away" policy combined with a consent decree from an antitrust action.
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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby Axatax » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:20 am

No, after explaining a couple of hundred times why company X is highly unlikely to open-source or give away product Y one tends to get a bit gruff about it, especially when a particular company (MS) has gone on record with a "we don't give stuff away" policy combined with a consent decree from an antitrust action.



"a particular company (MS) has gone on record with a "we don't give stuff away" policy"

You have posted this on a public forum, so I assume you are prepared to back this up.

SGI released promotional copies of SW 95. I have two from a trade event, and they came with "complementary" licenses from SGI.

I have more free/complementary software from MS than probably any other commercial SW company (nearly 1/2 a bookshelf worth). And before you call me some sort of M$/corporate shill, check my sig. and you'll see what types of systems I run. That Octane is my DD. Your assertion that MS doesn't "give away anything" is bunk.

This hypocrisy is almost comical as "SGI" won't even so much as *SELL* you a license for IRIX.

So, maybe you should clarify "a particular company (MS) has gone on record with a "we don't give stuff away policy" as I can completely refute this being *I* have in fact received "free stuff".

If they have gone on record, put up - because I'll refute any such assertion from MS as the amount of "free stuff" from them I can measure by the pound (they have run promotional "give-aways" for every OS from Windows 2000 on up to Win7 with over 200K+ copies given gratis). And that's just Windows.
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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby hamei » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:48 am

Axatax wrote: ... check my sig. and you'll see what types of systems I run. That Octane is my DD.

Excellent ! So would you mind running over to nekoware /beta and pulling down a couple of tardists to test ? Doesn't have to be anything complex, even a bash or bunzip or exiftags or pstree app would be a help.

Of course, if you see anything else useful in there, feel free to grab it and start a thread. Us SGI daily driver people can use all the help we can get.

Thanks !

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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby vishnu » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:51 am

Not to put words in anyone's mouth but usually when we talk about giveaways hereabout we're ordinarily referring to source code released under a FOSS license... :P
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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby SAQ » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:01 pm

In this case it's the binary, and the context does need to be taken into account. MS distributes promo copies as an investment more than "giving them away out of the goodness of their heart". MS no longer sells Windows 95, there is no money to be made from promoting it, and so they won't give it away. MS is run by people who know business, and as a result they're still doing very well, thank you, especially compared with Sun. In reality few companies give anything away- you have to "sanitize it" to make sure you're not going to be on the hook for license fees to someone else, and there's always the risk that the free product will poach customers. It's pretty much guaranteed that all your free stuff from MS was promotional - a calculated investment on the part of MS marketing. To an extent MS does give stuff away via their charitable programs, but again it's calculated - PR + tax write off + keeping the employees happy. Giving away SoftWindows 95 Windows licenses or licenses for MS-DOS serves no promotional value, so it isn't going to happen.

Regarding MS's attitude towards giving stuff away without an immediate business case - look at the remarks from senior management on FOSS. It's changed a bit now, but now they've found ways to make a profit off of FOSS. It's possible that there really has been a change - look at the release of Security Essentials, a pretty full-featured program. MS could have gotten away with much less and still had the PR, or decided that the PR wasn't worth it, but instead they put out a pretty good program in a market that they aren't looking to dominate. I'm still waiting a while before believing that they're truly interested in anything beyond the bottom line.
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Re: SoftWindows Licensing

Unread postby guardian452 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:44 pm

I have and use a lot of MS software. Most of it was free, the purchased and pirated stuff is in the minority ;)


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