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Unread postPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:31 pm 
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Hey Guys,
I have two SGIs in here:

• Octane2, Dual CPU 400MHZ R12K, V12
• Onyx2 Deskside, Quad CPU 400MHZ R12K, IR2

now the question is, can I bull in the harddisk from the Octane into the Onyx (because it fits straight in) and install irix with the onyx. Then remove the disk and put it back to the octane ?... Why... because I don't have a CD Drive for my Octane, and there is no one to get over here, the Onyx has an internal drive, and I really don't know how to do a network installation.

Does anyone know if this will work that way ?

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Unread postPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:25 am 
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Will not work.

Onyx2 != Octane2 for all values of Onyx2 and Octane. Different devices and different kernels.

DINA
another wiki topic
and another

..and the forums
search.php?keywords=network+install&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

etc..



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Unread postPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:18 am 
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thx PymbleSoftware for the tut.. I already found some tuts for network installation but this is too freaky by just reading it...

anyway would it work if I simply copy the irix install disks on my second harddisk in the octane and use the hd as my cd drive to install...
is there a tut for ?

my secound disk is Disk(0,2), filesystem dks0d2s7


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Unread postPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:13 am 
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Nolis wrote:
thx PymbleSoftware for the tut.. I already found some tuts for network installation but this is too freaky by just reading it...

anyway would it work if I simply copy the irix install disks on my second harddisk in the octane and use the hd as my cd drive to install...
is there a tut for ?

my secound disk is Disk(0,2), filesystem dks0d2s7


I remember reading a post here about someone attempting that recently. Go back through the posts in this forum or use the search.. It wasn't that long ago. From memory the answer was no, but do search the forums.. Up the top right of this page between FAQ and Members links.

My advice is to get an external SCSI case... I have about a dozen of them.... DAT, DVD, CD-RW, CD, QIC tape, a few different CDs., hard drives, etc. Quite easy to transport from machine to machine.

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This is another useful guide I've used. Between it and the wiki's "Installation to Fuel" article I've generally been good; just be careful to replace everything machine-specific in the examples with what's relevant to you.

As for installing from a local hard disk, I'm not sure it will let you do that. The firmware-based installation tool expects to load distributions from either a CD-ROM or network source, but maybe you could choose CD-ROM and point it to the hard disk? I haven't done a non-network install in ages, so I can't remember.

You will learn to love IRIX network installation. I Guarantee It.

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Well, thanks anyway...
u know I'm more the user guy than a system admin, I just want to run my old Flame on that box, the system got dirty over the years so I just want to install a fresh irix and setup a fresh flame system... I have done some O2 installations with IRIX 10 years ago, but I always did it with a cd drive...

I got just macs here no linux or windoof, and also the onyx2 is in another room upper floor not connected to the network, it's a little difficult to setup this box as Server just for installing.. I'hv better try to get an external CD Drive... If there is anybody, who want to sell an external CD Drive for less.. let me know, I'm from Europe ;-)


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I've do my network installations directly from Mac Snow Leopard to my Octane a few times. The stuff in the wiki about network install from Linux or FreeBSD was the info that I used to sort out the process. If you want to give it a go from your Mac, I'll finish typing up the install notes that I made when I was doing it and post them here.

ianj's right. The first time you fight your way through the network installation, it's a swine. The second time, it's nicer, but by the third or fourth it's a breeze and a really neat system.

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You can install IRIX from a hard drive. The tricky part is bootstrapping it into the actual install, but here's what I would recommend:

1. Partition the new HDD on the working IRIX system using fx -x
2. Create an XFS filesystem on the root partition of the HDD (dksXdYs0)
3. Copy the IRIX media to a directory in that partition, giving it a name that does not conflict with any standard UNIX directories (i.e., /IRIX)
4. Use mkboottape to extract the actual miniroot image "mr" from "sa" is the dist dir of your overlays or install tools CD
5. Copy the mr image to the swap partition of the HDD (dksXdYs1) using dd
6. Copy the contents of the volume header from the working system's drive to the new HDD's volume header using dvhtool (and remember what sash is called for step 10)
7. Mount the swap partition (fs type EFS) and copy the appropriate kernel (unix.IPzz) to its root (from the dist/miniroot dir)
8. Put the new HDD in the new system
9. Turn on the system and go to the PROM console
10. boot -f dksc(0,1,8)sash64 (using sash name from step 6) -- should boot into sash
11. boot -f dksc(0,1,1)unix (using unix name from step 7) -- should start the miniroot install

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Unread postPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:12 pm 
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Nolis asked me to provide a detailed walkthrough on how I set up my OSX Snow Leopard box for a network install. So here it is in full....

Net Installation of IRIX 6.5 from OS X Snow Leopard - A Huge Walkthrough

I've tried to be as detailed as I can (and as my memory will let me be…). Hopefully, it should work out as is, but if you get any problems, then I'll see if I can help you troubleshoot them. I put this together after a good few nights of swearing at my Octane and MacPro. I've changed this to read Onxy2 throughout. I'm basing this on the assumption that the process for an Onxy2 is the same, but I've got no way of testing it.

First, credit where it's due: I've compiled this mainly from information at -
http://techpubs.spinlocksolutions.com/irix/remote-irix-6.5-installation-from-linux.html
http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?p=8959#p8959
I've also put in links wherever I have them to the sources that I got specific details from. Thanks to the people that put in the work on those.

I've tried to state where you need to type something into the terminal and where you can use the finder to make life a little easier.
For creating / editing text files, you will probably find 'pico' the easiest one to use. Type
Code:
pico filename
or
Code:
pico /full/path/to/filename
for this.

One final thing that could be a problem. Do you have any way of reading the IRIX installation CDs? OSX can't read them natively and I've never found a way of making them work with it. I've tried Linux through Parallels, and although it should be able to read them, OSX spits out the CD before it gets the chance to have a go at mounting them. The only way that I've found (without an IRIX box with a CD drive, of course) is to have a machine that's booting Linux (I used an old laptop that I had lying around and put a default Debian Lenny installation on it). I don't know if any nekochanners know any other methods for this.

Make a directory for the install files to get copied into:

Code:
mkdir ~/irixinstall


If you have a CD set, then for each of the CDs in turn, type:
Code:
mount -t efs /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom
cp -a /media/cdrom ~/irixinstall


When the copy is finished, type:
Code:
umount /media/cdrom

And on to the next one…

If you're using .iso images, you need:
Code:
mount -o loop -t efs /path/to/file.iso /media/cdrom
cp -a /media/cdrom/dist/* ~/irixinstall


When the copy is finished, type:
Code:
umount /media/cdrom


The full list of CDs that you need to take the files from is listed below.

The exact syntax for this may change on different distress, so you may need to Google this if you're having problems. There's also some good info on this part of the process in the links at the top.

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Some basics for the installation:
We'll assume that you're installing from a directory called '/users/nolis/irix'
We'll assume that your home network is addressed 192.168.1.0 subnet 255.255.255.0
Mac IP address is: 192.168.1.1
Onyx2 address is 192.168.1.2
Onyx2 hostname will be 'onyx2'
Ethernet address of the Onyx2 is 08:00:69:0B:81:A3 - Info on how to get the real one is in the BOOTP section below.
IRIX version is 6.5.30f (full set of CDs including the overlays are needed for this)

Things you'll need to set up on OSX:
Installation file copy
TFTPD - For an initial diskless boot
RSH - For running scripts needed for the installation
BOOTP - Assigning configuration info for the diskless boot
NFSD - Provides a network filesystem so that the installation files can be accessed
KSH - The installation scripts expect this shell to work correctly
Guest user account - The account that is going to be used for the installation file copy

Installation File Copy
Create the installation directory. Type:
Code:
mkdir /users/nolis/irix/install

Copy all of the files from the installation CDs '/dist' directory into this folder (you can do this with the finder).
For a 6.5.30f install, that will be from the CDs:
Overlays 1 of 3
Overlays 2 of 3
Overlays 3 of 3
Applications 2006
Complimentary Applications
6.5 Foundations 1
6.5 Foundations 2
6.5 Developer Foundations
6.5 Developer Libraries
6.5 Applications Nov 2001 (This could be different depending on what your base 6.5 install comes from)
6.5 OCN3_NFSv3 (you get the files from /6.5/dist on this CD)

Depending on how you've got your files stored, it may tell you that a file already exists when you copy some of these in. I've always found it OK to just overwrite the existing file as they are just text files that are not necessary for the installation.

Different installation guides have different approaches to the directory structure for this. I've found that if you put all files in one folder (Overlays and base 6.5 installation), then it saves you a lot of trouble with opening different directories in the install part later on.

Setting up TFTPd
TFTPD is already installed on your OSX - Further info if you need it is at:
http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?s ... 8233806794

Start it with:
Code:
sudo launchctl load -w /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/tftp.plist


The default directory for tftp booting is /private/tftpboot

Create a symlink to this so that you can copy the files in
Type:
Code:
ln -s /private/tftpboot /users/nolis/irix/tftpbootlink


Then:

Code:
sudo chmod 777 /private/tftpboot


(Please note that the above is a potential future security hole as any user on the machine can read / write files to that directory. once you've got it working, then you should type 'sudo chmod 755 /private/tftpboot' to prevent anyone but the superuser being able to write / change files)

You can then use the Finder to drag / drop copy the following files from into the tftpbootlink directory via the symbolic link that you've set up (it appears as a folder with a shortcut arrow on it in the iris folder under your home folder). Files to copy are:
fx.64, sa and the /miniroot/unix.ip27 (I think that this is the right one for an Onyx2, it's unix.ip30 for an Octane, so you need to get the right one for your machine). Make sure that it's copied keeping 'miniroot' as a subdirectory of tfptboot.

The originals of these files will be in your /users/nolis/irix/install directory. For the fx.64 file, it's located in a directory called 'stand'. I can't give you the definitive CD that this comes on (I've found it in Installation Tools and Overlays 1 on my 6.5.14 set)

When you've completely finished the installation, you can stop it with with:
Code:
sudo launchctl unload -w /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/tftp.plist


BOOTPD
Create a bootptab (type: 'pico /etc/bootptab'). Get the hardware address of you're Onxy2 for this by typing the following at the boot prompt on the onyx2:
Code:
printenv


The 'eaddr' entry is the value that you need.

The /etc/bootptab file should look as follows (you can copy and paste it into the terminal window)
Code:
#
# bootptab example
#
%%
# machine entries have the following format:
#
# hostname      hwtype  hwaddr              ipaddr          bootfile
onyx2  1       08:00:69:0B:81:A3       192.168.1.2     boot


Then to start up booted:
Code:
sudo launchctl load -w /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/bootps.plist


Again, you can stop it when you're completely done with:
Code:
sudo launchctl unload -w /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/bootps.plist


Setting up NFSD

Create a /etc/exports (type 'pico /etc/exports') file that contains the line:
Code:
/users/nolis/irix/install   -network 192.168.1.0  -mask 255.255.255.0


The documentation states that once there's an entry in the /etc/exports file, it should automatically work. I've found that I need to reboot it to make it actually appear. To check if the export is working, type:
Code:
showmount -e


If you don't get anything listed, then reboot the Mac and run the command again. You should see:
Code:
Exports list on localhost:
/Users/nolis/irix/install                      192.168.128.0


Setting up KSH
ksh is already installed in 10.6. Don't need to do anything more with this for the moment.

Start RSHD
Info at:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1329821

Start RSHD with:
Code:
sudo launchctl load -w /System/Library/LaunchDeamons/shell.plist
sudo launchctl load /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/login.plist
sudo launchctl start com.apple.rshd
sudo launchctl start com.apple.rlogind


You can test that this has been successful by typing the following:
Code:
sudo launchctl list | egrep "rsh|login"


If the number at the beginning of the line next to com.apple.rshd and com.apple.rlogind is NOT 0, then it should be good to go.
RLogin / RSHD can be a bit awkward. I've found that I have to keep restarting it after every time that I've tried the boot. If it's not working, then when you try and run the sash64 part of the install process, you'll get the message:
Code:
*** PROM write error on cacheline....

Restart the rshd and rlogind and power cycle the machine that you're installing.

Set up the guest user account
Set up the users for the install:
Add a user account called 'guest' through system preferences. This has a blank password.
Type:
Code:
dscl . -create /Groups/instguest PrimaryGroupID 998
dscl . -create /Users/guest
dscl . -create /Users/guest UniqueID 998 PrimaryGroupID 998 NFSHomeDirectory /Users/guest


To change the login shell for that user to be ksh, do the following:
Code:
sudo dscl . -change /users/guest UserShell /bin/bash /bin/ksh
sudo pico /users/guest/.rhosts


Add the following to the file:
Code:
onyx2   root


(Note, I'm sure that this this is what I used to get it to work, but it may need to be 'onyx2 root guest' - this was the hardest part to get working if I remember correctly)

Save it, then:
Code:
sudo chown guest .rhosts


As we've used a hostname, we need to:
Code:
sudo vi /etc/hosts


At the bottom of the file add the line (on its own):
Code:
192.168.1.2 onyx2


Save it and to bring the change in, use the following

Code:
sudo dscacheutil -flushcache


If all of that's worked, then your Mac should be just waiting for the Onxy2 to ask it for an installation!

------------------------------------------------------
For this section, rather than just copying the already excellent instructions at http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/index.php/IRIX_Network_Installation_from_FreeBSD_to_an_Octane. I've just given you the changes to make it work for the example here. Start reading from the section entitled Client Configuration:

Cold start the Onxy2 and hit 'stop for maintenance' and 'enter command monitor' and type:
Code:
resetenv
setenv -p notape 1
setenv -p netaddr 192.168.1.2
setenv -p srvaddr 192.168.1.1
setenv -p fxaddr bootp()$srvaddr:/users/nolis/irix/install/fx.64
setenv -p tapedevice bootp()$srvaddr:/users/nolis/irix/install/sa
setenv -p


Then follow the rest of the how to from there.

Once you've got through that little lot, I can't recommend http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/index.php/IRIX_Installation_and_Customization highly enough on where to go from there.

Good luck, and let me know how you get on!


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I swear I was a asleep when I did this but... new wiki topic:

http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/ ... _from_OS_X

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Unread postPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:28 am 
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thx guys, I'll try it.. I'm allready coping the disks to the onyx2 and till now everything is working fine, will tar all disks together an transfer this to my mac...

I allready but on:
• 6.5.30 Install Tools and Overlays 1
• 6.5.30 Overlays 2
• 6.5.30 Overlays 3
• Applications (from 6.5.30 bundle, I guess its the 2006)
• Complementary Applications (also from the 6.5.30 bundle)
• 6.5 Foundation 2 (released 06/98)
• 6.5 Development Libraries (released 06/98)
• ONC3/NFS Version3 (released 05/99)


it sucks a little bit because I'm missing 2 disks
• 6.5 Foundation 1
• 6.5 Development Foundation

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is it important that the both Foundation disks has the same release date, or is it almost the same ?
and are the 6.5 Applications Nov 2001 really nessesary, because I don't think I have it... Just have the Application from the 6.5.30 bundle and the one of the 6.5.28 bundle...


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I would gently draw your attention to the yellow box at the top of this page...

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Hey all my disks are original from SGI with release date and serial number on !!! So means that I already paid for it, and I just lost 2 disks of it... just want to get it done.. ! I mean this is just old stuff and not a new distribution, by the way it's just working to SGI.. so I also had to buy a SGI for it right ?


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Nolis wrote:
Hey all my disks are original from SGI with release date and serial number on !!! So means that I already paid for it, and I just lost 2 disks of it... just want to get it done.. ! I mean this is just old stuff and not a new distribution, by the way it's just working to SGI.. so I also had to buy a SGI for it right ?

A single individual provides, maintains and pays out of his personal pocket for you (and everyone else) to have access to the largest repository of freely available SGI information and technical support in the world. In return he asks that you abide by just a few user guidelines, one of which is not making requests to pirate, buy sell or trade commercial software on this forum.

So at this point the issue isn't where or how you obtained your copy of IRIX, but whether you intend to respect the rules of the forum.

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I understand, but the Forum rules are at the top of the page, and the one about commercial software is strictly enforced. "Any posts...offering to buy/sell/trade commercial software are subject to removal." The topic has been discussed many times here on Nekochan. The owner provides this site to the community for free, he has no desire to spend his time responding to letters from lawyers, and so the policy is what it is. There are many places to get IRIX, but this isn't one of them.
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Hey all my disks are original from SGI with release date and serial number on !!! So means that I already paid for it, and I just lost 2 disks of it... just want to get it done.. ! I mean this is just old stuff and not a new distribution, by the way it's just working to SGI.. so I also had to buy a SGI for it right ?


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