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Re: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby GRudolf94 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:07 pm

Just a minor malfunction :mrgreen:

Still, I'd really try to repair the Sun CRT, that thing has a Trinitron tube
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Re: SOLVED Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby vishnu » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:54 pm

GRudolf94 wrote:Just a minor malfunction :mrgreen:


No worries, I got a brand spankin' new one from Sears Parts Direct! :P WalFart can go F themselves... :twisted:

GRudolf94 wrote:Still, I'd really try to repair the Sun CRT, that thing has a Trinitron tube

No doubt it's a thing of beauty but in other news I copied the vfs file Neko posted in this thread for his Dell 2407WFP and, miracle of miracles, it works perfectly with my Dell U2412M! I am now just as happy as though I were in my right mind! :D
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby GRudolf94 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:13 pm

As long as you're a happy camper...

When my Indy comes home, I'll have to use it with an old 17" SyncMaster 700p CRT...old, failing, but the only POS I own that does SoG. Yeah, I could build a sync separator, but I'm a lazy asshat, was bummed enough having to make a 13W3-HD15 cable
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby vishnu » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:43 pm

GRudolf94 wrote:As long as you're a happy camper...


As Dan Quayle told the Samoans, "You all look like happy campers to me!" :lol:

GRudolf94 wrote:When my Indy comes home, I'll have to use it with an old 17" SyncMaster 700p CRT...old, failing, but the only POS I own that does SoG. Yeah, I could build a sync separator, but I'm a lazy asshat, was bummed enough having to make a 13W3-HD15 cable


I'm just using one of these commercial ones, the IT department at work threw them out by the basketload when they got rid of all our SGI monitors. That's my poor blurry old Sun X7136A behind it... :roll:
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby GRudolf94 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:25 pm

No such luck here - all my equipment but the two SGI is HD15. 13W3 (and big workstations) are quite rare where I live, so finding a commercial adaptor was harder than grabbing the salvaged cable off a dead Sun monitor I found at the University and grafting a VGA connector to the other end. I wish I could've grabbed the whole monitor, but it was a heavy mess of broken, brittle plastic. The SPARCstation IPX that lived with it got discarded before I could grab it :/
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby vishnu » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:55 pm

GRudolf94 wrote:I wish I could've grabbed the whole monitor, but it was a heavy mess of broken, brittle plastic.


I bought my X7136A for practically nothing from the now long-defunct workstationsetc.com, and was beyond astonished when it showed up brand new and unused in the original packaging, without a scratch on it. I have one other Sony Trinitron CRT, a Multiscan 17SF, also in mint condition, behind it is my 1991 Pentium 90 which happily runs Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6, for the sole purpose of running my almost as old HP Scanjet 6300C... :lol:
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby GRudolf94 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:09 am

And all I get are crappy fixed-sync 31KHz CRTs :/
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby vishnu » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:10 am

Sucks to be you! 8-)

Sorry, bad joke I stole from Zach Braff on Scrubs... :shock:
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby GRudolf94 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:13 am

Scrubs...it has been 5 years since I last watched an episode of that, lol
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Re: SOLVED Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby JacquesT » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:54 am

vishnu wrote:No doubt it's a thing of beauty but in other news I copied the vfs file Neko posted in this thread for his Dell 2407WFP and, miracle of miracles, it works perfectly with my Dell U2412M! I am now just as happy as though I were in my right mind! :D



See, just needed some custom loving! :mrgreen:
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Re: SOLVED Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby vishnu » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:13 pm

JacquesT wrote:
vishnu wrote:No doubt it's a thing of beauty but in other news I copied the vfs file Neko posted in this thread for his Dell 2407WFP and, miracle of miracles, it works perfectly with my Dell U2412M! I am now just as happy as though I were in my right mind! :D



See, just needed some custom loving! :mrgreen:

I diddled around with it for the better part of two days before I noticed Neko's file. Turns out I had everything right except the Vertical Back Porch, according to my monitor's modeline it should be 26 but that wouldn't compile, for some reason Neko had his at 24 and that worked, but I don't know why it did or why mine didn't... :roll:
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Re: SOLVED Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby JacquesT » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:23 pm

vishnu wrote: my monitor's modeline it should be 26 but that wouldn't compile, for some reason Neko had his at 24 and that worked, but I don't know why it did or why mine didn't... :roll:


The VFC compiler requires the Vertical Backporch be reduced by 2 pixels, hence the reduction from 26 to 24. ;)
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Re: SOLVED Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby vishnu » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:05 pm

JacquesT wrote:
vishnu wrote: my monitor's modeline it should be 26 but that wouldn't compile, for some reason Neko had his at 24 and that worked, but I don't know why it did or why mine didn't... :roll:


The VFC compiler requires the Vertical Backporch be reduced by 2 pixels, hence the reduction from 26 to 24. ;)

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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby JacquesT » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:49 am

:mrgreen:

Michalis Pastras (michaelpastras) wrote a very good "How To" guide explaining timings (with pictures!), EDIDs, compilation formats etc. Together with the write ups of Recordas we have the most excellent guides available.

Have a look here -> http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16732152

Also see the Wiki here -> http://www.nekochan.net/wiki/VFC:Video_Format_Compiler

For MGRAS try the script here -> http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/vfc.html (although mine wouldn't work as my resolution required >160Mhz pixel clock.)
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Re: SOLVED: Stoopid Dell monitor

Unread postby vishnu » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:02 am

Ah! I see it now, in the Pastas pdf (which I was trying to follow), it says "Vertical Back Porch = 36 It is a VFC requirement that the V_Back_Porch gets written decreased by 2, compared to what it actually is."

Would be better if he also said that at the top where he first defines the vertical back porch as the V4 minus V3 subtraction from the modeline...
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