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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby mapesdhs » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:45 am

Ok, cool! 8) In that case I'll go with the 20 as initially mentioned. 8)

Next thing is to establish which is the most sensible standard PSU to use. Need to read the relevant threads.

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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby kubatyszko » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:52 am

I've actually been thinking of this, and the most recommended PSU's are the ATX equivalents of corresponding SGI ones :

Sparkle FSP460-60PFN
Fortron FSP460-60PFN

I'm sure there are more - might be worth putting a list together.

One interesting requirement is that the PSU needs a snap-in IEC power flange, the ones where flange is held by screws don't fit - Fuel's case has protruding metal in that area and the plastic just gets in the way.
It doesn't purely exclude all PSU's with the flange but it depends on the socket location and how far it is from the edge - it should be about 10mm away.

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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby mapesdhs » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:17 am

That's ironic, I've used the Corsair before, eg. couple of custom SAS storage units I made for a movie company:

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I do like the Sparkle because it's compact. Oddly enough, it was an SGI Sparkle that was in my Fuel I just replaced with a Tezro.

What I want to do is try and encourage companies to switch to modern PSUs with these adapters, because atm the spike in demand is making Fuel prices skyrocket (I could drop a few jaws if people knew how much I sold my 900/V12 for). With a cheaper alternative that's actually more reliable, hopefully that will ease demand (at least for the PSUs) and allow pricing to moderate a bit.

Have to echo what many have said though, working with Fuels is a complete pain. So many finicky issues when sorting them out. When they're working ok they're great, but any problem is so often far more difficult to solve than with any other SGI desktop.

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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby smj » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:17 pm

I'll take one off your hands, these need to exist in the world. And it's only a matter of time before I need one...
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby Hombre71 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:53 am

Sparkle FSP460-60PFN
Fortron FSP460-60PFN

These are actuallly the same AFAIK ; Fortron bought Sparkle I believe and just changed the label.
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby mbeauchesne » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:20 am

Put me down for one, please.
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby kubatyszko » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:30 am

Updated the list with recent additions.
The 5 boards that I have in stock will ship within the next week.
The large batch for EU - I will receive the bare boards in about 3-4 weeks, so I would estimate shipping in 4-5 weeks.
If anyone needs a single board sooner (say your Fuel is actually dead and you need to use it asap) - that might be possible but I'd have to ship it from here directly.

Reminder - I still have an older prototype version available at holiday discounted rate of $50 - see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16731347 (only the non-latching board is left).
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby GL1zdA » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:19 pm

+1 for me.

kubatyszko wrote:One interesting requirement is that the PSU needs a snap-in IEC power flange, the ones where flange is held by screws don't fit - Fuel's case has protruding metal in that area and the plastic just gets in the way.
It doesn't purely exclude all PSU's with the flange but it depends on the socket location and how far it is from the edge - it should be about 10mm away.

This is a common problem with the Palo Alto Designs PA-810 case on which the Fuel's one is based. I still have to find a PSU to replace the failed Delta PSU in my Visual Workstation 230 - hard to find a PSU where the socket is not near the edge.
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:29 pm

Heh. I have a Corsair in my SexyAlphaCat 164LX.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby Dodoid » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:57 pm

Just bought a Fuel sans-PSU. Sign me up for one.
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby kubatyszko » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:41 am

Quick update on current status, the PCB's are currently being manufactured - that will take about 1-2 weeks + time for me to manufacture.

If anyone wants a board sooner, let me know, I have 3 bare boards ( samples - whenever I make changes to the design I order a few sample boards to prove the design ) in stock and will have them assembled and ready for shipping mid next week.

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Unread postby mapesdhs » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:56 am

All sounds good! 8) Emai me when you need payment sorted out, etc.

Btw, how do you do the testing & suchlike? Just curious.

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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby kubatyszko » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:45 pm

mapesdhs wrote:Btw, how do you do the testing & suchlike? Just curious.
Ian.


I test in multiple stages:

1) Plug the main board into a regular ATX PSU (that I have under my desk) - I should see the standby light, hold the kickstart button and observe the power-on light. This proves that the ATX side of things works

2) Plug both boards into Fuel and boot it up, then observe L1 for voltages and RPM on the PSU Fan. For that I have a separate Fuel motherboard without PIMM and RAM, all I need is for L1 to work. I usually save the output and hand it over to the buyer as a proof of testing.

3) Plug both boards into a real Fuel and verify that it boots and runs reliably.

I don't have any fancy testing rig ;)
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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby mapesdhs » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:50 pm

Blimey that's a lot of effort! Most impressive! Hmm, did you pull a mbd base plate board from a Fuel so you could do open-air testing, ie. not have to shove everything inside a case? Makes it much easier when testing PSUs.

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Re: Announcement - Fuel ATX PSU adapters available for purchase

Unread postby kubatyszko » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:41 pm

It is a lot of work for each adapter but I'd rather have the comfort of knowing the product works and the buyer can enjoy it.
I'm using unwanted motherboard from another member.
- for testing adapters and a few other fuel related projects I have coming up - stay tuned.
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