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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby ShadeOfBlue » Mon May 06, 2013 5:01 am

ClassicHasClass wrote:It's already there, I think. I played with a few different iterations and all I got was a black screen. When it goes to blit the bits, it starts at the bottom and works back, but setting it to 0.0 didn't fix it, unless I'm totally wrong somewhere.

Try setting the starting y offset to the height of the image you're drawing :)

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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby recondas » Wed May 08, 2013 3:38 am

Cable HDTV set top box connected via firewire

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hinv -vm
DMediaPro DM10 FW option: unit 0, revision 1.1.0
AV/C Video: unit 0, revision 5.5, connected to DM10, unit 0

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fwprobe
Device 1: 0x22CECC81E20000
  Vendor: 0x0022CE
   Model: Explorer(R) 4300
   Proto: AV/C
Shows up as an AV/C device, but didn't appear in an mlquery (possibly because I tried this with the cable box powered but not running). The SGI gear is a bridge too far from the incoming cable terminus, so the cable box was tried without a cable connection. Apparently the cable box net boots, because without the cable attached, it hangs with "booting" displayed in the LED panel.

Since not having the cable box booted and running may or may not be the reason that it didn't appear in an mlquery, has anybody else got a firewire equipped system and a (more) conveniently located cable set top box they could test?

If the files produced with the avc_vidtomem program are in mpeg-transport stream format, Mplayer may be able to play them (and if necessary, invert them). ClassicHasClass, if you have the opportunity could you try an avc_vidtomem capture from your Canopus AVDC 100?

ClassicHasClass wrote:I mentioned hot swapping. It doesn't work. In fact, it seemed to hose the FireWire driver so bad that I had to hard-power-down the machine (the console was spammed with tons of FireWire errors about bad or missing targets and the kernel just sat there emitting errors forever until I hit the hard reset). Resetting mldaemon only worked the very first time for me (no devices seen and plugging one in). It wouldn't work for other devices after that.
It's probably lurking right around the corner, but so far (knock on wood) that hasn't happened with the Tezro. No obvious reaction from the system when I hot-disconnect a video device from the DM10. When I hot-plug a new device "Scanning FireWire bus" appears on the console and in the syslog. Here's the entries produced when I hot-unplugged the iSight and hot-plugged the cable set top box:

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Scanning FireWire bus /hw/module/001c01/IXbrick/xtalk/15/pci-x/1/2/ohci/0 (2 nodes)
FireWire Node [0]: OXFORD SEMICONDUCTOR LTD., OXFORD IDE Device   
FireWire Node [1]: 0x0022CE, Explorer(R) 4300
Perhaps attributable to differences in the Fuel-Tezro PCI bus topology?
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Wed May 08, 2013 6:03 am

Yes, I'll see what I can get out of it (though I'll probably test the output on the G5 since I have my media tools there). Note, for pedantry's sake, that it's an ADVC-300 -- not that this should make much difference, but the -300 has a TBC and I don't believe the -100 does.

Also, I found my Pyro A/V Link and I'll give that a spin as well. I suspect the problem reported by the original tester was that it does not have a TBC. This isn't a big deal for computer output; it *is* a problem for people using dodgy sources like consumer VHS decks.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Wed May 08, 2013 8:02 pm

As Duke Nukem once observed, I'm back.

First, let's get the agony of defeat out of the way -- the ADS Pyro A/V Link appears to be a non-starter. This unit works fine with my G5, by the way, except for the aforementioned lack of a TBC. It has a bad habit of dropping on and off the FireWire bus, particularly when switching it from digital to analogue. The Mac doesn't care, but mlquery loses track, and starting and stopping mldaemon doesn't bring it back. After some devious timing, I managed to bring the whole system up with it in analogue mode connected to the Tomy.

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bigred:/usr/people/spectre/% mlquery -d all

         DEVICE: dv-deck
         parent: bigred.floodgap.com
          index: 0
        version: 1
       location: /hw/firewire/0/avc/avc0
          jacks: VideoInputJack,
                 VideoOutputJack
          paths: AnalogInput,
                 AnalogOutput

         DEVICE: nullXcode
         parent: bigred.floodgap.com
          index: 0
        version: 1.0
       location: Software Null Xcode Device
         xcodes: nullXcodeMemoryToMemoryCopy,
                 nullXcodeMemoryClear

bigred:/usr/people/spectre/% cd /usr/share/src/dmedia
fibigred:/usr/share/src/dmedia/% firewire/fwprobe
Testing libfw...
Number of cards: 1
Card Info
=========
Card #: 0
Name  : DM10
ID    : 0x0
Ports : 3
Speed : 400 / 400

2 devices attached
Device 0: 0x0
  Vendor: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
   Model: DMediaPro DM10
   Proto: 4
Device 1: 0x50C5004E545301
  Vendor: ADS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
   Model: API-550
   Proto: 2
01: 00000000
02: 00000000
03: 00000000
04: 00000000
05: 00000000
06: 00000000


Unfortunately, that's about as much victory as I got:
garbage.jpg
I! LOVE! TRASH!


... after which avc_vidtogfx just locks up. After killing it, I tried using some other samplings with no joy:

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bigred:/usr/share/src/dmedia/video/% avc/avc_vidtogfx -s 444 -D
Input Timing Present = ML_TIMING_525
Couldn't set controls on video jack (ignoring)
        Param 0x422012 -> ML_STATUS_INVALID_VALUE
        ML_VIDEO_TIMING_INT32 = ML_TIMING_525
 Timing 2
Couldn't set controls on path
        Param 0x422012 -> ML_STATUS_INVALID_VALUE
        ML_IMAGE_PACKING_INT32 = ML_PACKING_8
        ML_DEVICE_EVENTS_INT32_ARRAY = [ML_EVENT_VIDEO_SEQUENCE_LOST]
bigred:/usr/share/src/dmedia/video/% avc/avc_vidtogfx -s 422 -D
Input Timing Present = ML_TIMING_525
Couldn't set controls on video jack (ignoring)
        Param 0x422012 -> ML_STATUS_INVALID_VALUE
        ML_VIDEO_TIMING_INT32 = ML_TIMING_525
 Timing 2
Couldn't set controls on path
        Param 0x422012 -> ML_STATUS_INVALID_VALUE
        ML_IMAGE_PACKING_INT32 = ML_PACKING_8
        ML_DEVICE_EVENTS_INT32_ARRAY = [ML_EVENT_VIDEO_SEQUENCE_LOST]


I consider the Pyro A/V Link thus a lost cause unless anyone has any other ideas. But it works great with the Mac!

Having thus dispensed with the bad news, here's the good news and the better news. The good news was that Mr. Blue was half-right and I was half-right. He was right about the GL flipping, but I was right that it was already in the source code. In a duh! moment, I just took the glPixelZoom out and reoriented the glDrawPixels:

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685c685
<   glPixelZoom(1.0, -1.0);
---
>   /* glPixelZoom(1.0, -1.0); */
853,854c853,854
<                   /*glRasterPos2i( 0, 0);*/
<                   glRasterPos2i( 0, imageHeight-1);
---
>                   glRasterPos2i( 0, 0);
>                   /*glRasterPos2i( 0, imageHeight-1);*/


Et voila, with the ADVC-300:
right.jpg
Now what will my Australian countrymen/women do that it is correctly oriented?


And the best news of all. On a brainwave, based on recondas' prior post, I dumped avc_vidtomem to an .mts file. And guess what can play it?
mts.jpg
Yes! My Fuel plays its own MTS files!


Yes, laydeeez, the MTS file is fully playable by Irix itself. There is no audio; I wasn't able to get that to work yet. But the video files it generates appear to be completely compatible. No screen flipping was needed for avc_vidtomem; that's unmodified.

I'm pretty pleased about this! Still can't get hot swapping to work, though even pushing my luck it didn't crash today.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby recondas » Thu May 09, 2013 5:20 am

Nicely done CHC!

Updated the Fuel (IP35) Hardware Aggregator to change the status of firewire video from questionable/not-working to functioning-with-the-right-device.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby recondas » Sat May 11, 2013 2:04 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:And the best news of all. On a brainwave, based on recondas' prior post, I dumped avc_vidtomem to an .mts file. And guess what can play it?Yes, laydeeez, the MTS file is fully playable by Irix itself.
The situation with the captured video is actually better than I'd hoped.

Rather than capturing a mpeg transport stream, the video stream captured by the DM10 is in DV/DIF digital format.

Here's the results of "Get Movie Info" run against the test sample so kindly provided by ClassisHasClass:

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File Name: /usr/people/work/test.mts
File Format: DIF (DV/DVCPRO data)

             PLAYING_TIME: 333.665 msec
                  BITRATE: 28.771 Mbps
                LOOP_MODE: Play Once
               LOOP_LIMIT: 0
                OPTIMIZED: 0

Audio Track:
             TRACK_LENGTH: 16016
            DM_AUDIO_RATE: 48000.000Hz
        DM_AUDIO_CHANNELS: 2
DM_DVAUDIO_CHANNEL_POLICY: 2 Channel: L R
          DM_AUDIO_FORMAT: Twos-complement
           DM_AUDIO_WIDTH: 16
      DM_AUDIO_BYTE_ORDER: Big Endian
     DM_AUDIO_COMPRESSION: DV Audio

Video Track:
             TRACK_LENGTH: 9
            DM_IMAGE_RATE: 29.970Hz
     DM_IMAGE_INTERLACING: Non-interlaced
          DM_IMAGE_LAYOUT: Full frame
     DM_IMAGE_ORIENTATION: Top-to-bottom
           DM_IMAGE_WIDTH: 720
          DM_IMAGE_HEIGHT: 480
     DM_IMAGE_COMPRESSION: DV
 DM_IMAGE_QUALITY_SPATIAL: 0.500000
DM_IMAGE_QUALITY_TEMPORAL: 0.500000
    DM_IMAGE_PIXEL_ASPECT: 1.1000 (CCIR601-525)
         DM_IMAGE_PACKING: YCbCr DV 4:1:1
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sat May 11, 2013 7:28 pm

I'm going to do more testing on the audio, possibly record a longer sample from a different source. That test file should have audible audio in it.

Renaming it to test.dv, QuickTime suddenly volunteers to play it on the G5, and it plays there in QuickTime Player as well. Where did you get the Get Movie Info stuff from?
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby recondas » Sat May 11, 2013 7:34 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:I'm going to do more testing on the audio, possibly record a longer sample from a different source. That test file should have audible audio in it.
The movie info seems to think audio is possible with the DIF/DV format, so please let us know what you find out.

ClassicHasClass wrote:Where did you get the Get Movie Info stuff from?
The easy way is to right click on the file icon in the IRIX File Manager and select "Get Movie Info" from the drop down menu.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby hamei » Sat May 11, 2013 10:09 pm

recondas wrote:The easy way is to right click on the file icon in the IRIX File Manager and select "Get Movie Info" from the drop down menu.

Irix is pretty cool :D There's so many useful little things built in that I'm still finding new ones after more than fifteen years of daily use ...
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby mia » Sat May 11, 2013 11:01 pm

I'm impressed, this is nice.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby recondas » Tue May 14, 2013 8:42 am

mia wrote:I'm impressed, this is nice.
I agree.

In its day SGI hardware had a large footprint in Hollywood, so I'd guess just about everyone who's owned SGI gear has at least considered exploring the use of some of the traditional MIPS/IRIX video applications. For the Tezro or Ony350 that has meant adding the expense of a DM3, a DMedia VBoB (and the usually-not-included/not-easy-to-find LVDS cabling), plus an SD or HD capable video hardware. Lacking an XIO2 slot for a DM3, the Fuel is limited to the almost-never-seen-in-the-wild DM6/DVS SDStation, plus SD video gear.

While I'm not suggesting a generic TI-based firewire board and a Canopus ADVC box will produce the same results as a DM3 or DM6, they would allow someone with a Fuel/Tezro/O300/O350/O3k to capture digital video and explore the world of SGI video editing at a lower cost. With that in mind I'm kind of surprised at the lack of participation in this thread. :D

To further expand the list of IIDC/AV/C hardware supported by the DM10, I tested a ADS Pyro 1394 IIDC webcam. I also have a lead on a couple of non-Canopus AV/C firewire capture devices, a Pinnacle Studio DV and an AJA IO. Getting the AJA unit working under IRIX will probably be a reach (since it was specifically designed for Mac hardware running Final Cut), but if it can be made to work the AJA IO can do analog-to-digital conversion/capture or digital-to-digital capture via firewire, and has an internal TBC (along with some other spiffy professional features).

But back to the ADS Pyro 1394. Immediately after attachment it appeared in the console and the syslog (yes, I got away with hot-plugging into the Tezro again):

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Scanning FireWire bus /hw/module/001c01/IXbrick/xtalk/15/pci-x/1/2/ohci/0 (2 nodes)                                   
FireWire Node [0]: OXFORD SEMICONDUCTOR LTD., OXFORD IDE Device   
FireWire Node [1]: ADS TECHNOLOGIES, INC., PYRO WEBCAM
fwprobe looked good:

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% fwprobe
Probing DM10 cards...
Number of cards: 1
Card Info
=========
Card #: 0
Name  : DM10
ID    : 0x0
Ports : 3
Speed : 400 / 400

3 devices attached
Device 0: 0x0
  Vendor: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
   Model: DMediaPro DM10
   Proto: HBA
Device 1: 0x30E00100001419
  Vendor: OXFORD SEMICONDUCTOR LTD.
   Model: OXFORD IDE Device   
   Proto: SBP2
Device 2: 0x50C50000105626
  Vendor: ADS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
   Model: PYRO WEBCAM
   Proto: IIDC
Since I hot-plugged, I stopped and restarted the mldaemon, then ran mlquery:

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% mlquery -d all

         DEVICE: iidc-camera
         parent: tezro.fyrestorm.com
          index: 0
        version: 1
       location: /hw/firewire/0/iidc/iidc0
          jacks: SDSerialDigitalInputJack
          paths: SDSerialDigitalInput
And was able to successfully display a video feed from the Pyro 1394 using iidc_vidtogfx:

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% /usr/share/src/dmedia/video/iidc/iidc_vidtogfx -d iidc-camera -s 411 -c 0 -D
Input Timing Present = ML_TIMING_525
 Timing 2
        ML_IMAGE_WIDTH_INT32 = 640
        ML_IMAGE_HEIGHT_1_INT32 = 480
        ML_IMAGE_HEIGHT_2_INT32 = 0
............................................................
To my eye the video quality looked to be every bit the equal of the iSight, with the Pyro 1394 having the advantage of generally being available for less $.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby smj » Tue May 14, 2013 11:15 am

recondas wrote:With that in mind I'm kind of surprised at the lack of participation in this thread. :D

More round tuits are required. But rest assured that I, and probably many others, are reading with great interest and fuzzy notions of trying this out at some point.

Great news about the ADS Pyro camera. Looking forward to your findings on the AJA unit.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby hamei » Tue May 14, 2013 6:11 pm

recondas wrote:To further expand the list of IIDC/AV/C hardware supported by the DM10, I tested a ADS Pyro 1394 IIDC webcam.

At the risk of diminshing the supply of suitable cameras, I came across this :
some website or other wrote:Some of the supported web cameras include the Orange Micro iBOT, ADS Pyro WebCam, Vcam IEEE 1394 PC Camera, Aplux 1394 PC Camera and any FireWire web camera based on the Texas Instruments TSB15LV01 chipset should also work.

I also tried a "BlackHawk" firewire webcam which looks exactly like the iRez Stealthfire. Maybe time to drag it back out of the closet ... gave up on the dual-connection USB-firewire card with the O350 tho. I could get it to boot, use the USB, identify the firewire card but never would see any connected firewire devices. That could have been a faulty card but for now ...

I don't know if anyone is going to set their Fuel on the roof to do this but looks interesting :

http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/low_light.html

Besides the other good stuff, about 2/3 down the page there is a link to a TI pdf on an "evaluation board for CCD's" which is dead but indicates that there is/was an evaluation board for interfacing various ccd's to the computer via the TI firewire chipset, which we know works ... didn't SAQ just buy a new soldering iron ?

Edited to remove doubts about the BlackHawk IEEE1394 Digital Camera. Works.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby recondas » Wed May 15, 2013 7:55 am

Thanks to this post by nekonoko I've discovered that it's possible to use the IRIX CGI snap tool and a DM10-attached camera to remotely view snapshots via html. Might be handy for anyone who wants to visually monitor the area around/environment of an SGI system from elsewhere on a network (or the internet).

Please Note: Because of the relative age of IRIX, take a close look at your security before enabling or using Outbox.

To use 'Snap' you'll need to have a web server running and have "Outbox" configured. The release notes for Outbox have most of the basic info you'll need to get things running. If you're not certain if Outbox is installed and/or can run, from the Toolchest, select Internet > Browse OutBox Page. That'll call a script called "openhomepg" that will either open your Outbox page in your browser or offer a dialogue that tells how to install it.

To use the DM10-attached camera with Outbox you also need to change line 18 of the "snap" script from mlcamera="DISABLED" to mlcamera="ENABLED". The Outbox Release Notes don't mention the 'mlcamera' stuff, but as nekonoko pointed out in his post, somewhere along the line SGI updated the script to include ML cameras.

Snap converts the camera image to a 320x240 pixel gif. I was able to double the size of the snapped image by editing line 52 of the the snap script from "size=320x240" to "size=640x480". Here's a couple of examples of a few Outbox web pages:
snap_outbox.jpg
The Outbox page - you can share files via the 'Public' folder.
snap_hinv.jpg
An hinv can be displayed from inside Outbox.
snap_camera.jpg
An example of the Outbox web page showing a photo taken with the "Snap" CGI tool. The camera used is an IIDC ADS Pyro 1394, connected via firewire to a DM10. The "snap" script was editied to resize the image displayed from 320x240 tp 640x480 pixels.
snap_help.jpg
Access the Outbox help page with the 'Help' button.


BTW, Outbox offers a pretty simple method to share files from your IRIX box to other systems inside your network. Just right click on a file you own and select "Publish to Outbox..." from the drop-down menu. That file will be accessible in the 'Public' folder of your Outbox page.
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Re: Firewire Video via DM10 and Apple iSight FW

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Wed May 15, 2013 5:59 pm

Ha! That's awesome!
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