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Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:51 pm

Found a 600MHz R14K Fuel for a price I liked. It needs a new hard disk, but I can refurbish. Other than a crack on the front panel it's in good physical shape. Should be here next week.

I can't really tell from other threads here how it will do with a USB-DVI KVM (I use an Aten CS1764A because it works perfectly with Mac OS 9, one of the few that doesn't screw up scroll wheel support and cause certain other glitches). I also have a Griffin iMic I got from my bro-in-law ages ago that I now finally have a use for.

The Aten can emulate a hub; I assume IRIX's USB support can handle HID devices behind a hub? For my HP C8000 I wired a bypass switch around the KVM since the C8000 didn't like using a USB keyboard behind a hub for its console; it wanted the keyboard directly connected, at least to get through the PROM boot stage. Once HP-UX was up I could take the keyboard away from it (flip the bypass switch back to the KVM) and it didn't care then. Strangely, it didn't have this objection to the mouse. Hopefully the Fuel doesn't have any irregularities like that ... ?
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby foetz » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:25 pm

if that's the only thing you worry about then you should be perfectly fine :P

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby hamei » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:32 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote: I assume IRIX's USB support can handle HID devices behind a hub?

Should be fine - you get a really weird address for the device but it does work. I only tried for a short time tho, so you may find glitches. Make sure to set up telnet or ssh early - you are going to get some practice deleting /etc/ioconfig.conf over the network :D

Congrats on the Fuel, they are nice.

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby recondas » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:01 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:I can't really tell from other threads here how it will do with a USB-DVI KVM (I use an Aten CS1764A
I briefly tested a Fuel with an iogear GCS1764 usb/dvi kvm and the combo worked well during the test. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16727087&p=7354243&#p7354243

I believe Aten also makes the iogear kvms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aten_Technology,_Inc. Though there are likely some firmware/functional differences, since both units share the 1764 model number hopefully they'll also share Fuel-friendly functional similarities (after you've had a chance to try the Aten, please consider adding your experience to the linked KVM thread).
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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:36 am

I believe Aten also makes the iogear kvms


Good deal. Then this might be doable after all. I'll keep the bypass hooked in just in case.

Make sure to set up telnet or ssh early - you are going to get some practice deleting /etc/ioconfig.conf over the network


I bet. I saw some posts that said having PS/2 *and* USB keyboards connected to it (using the PS/2 as the emergency keyboard) can be troublesome. True?

Anyway, I'm excited. Love Big Red!
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby hamei » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:10 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:I bet. I saw some posts that said having PS/2 *and* USB keyboards connected to it (using the PS/2 as the emergency keyboard) can be troublesome. True?

I never tried both at the same time but the system does not erase ioconfig.conf. So if you have ever plugged in a USB keyboard and now want to plug in a PS/2 keyboard, it can get confused. When it gets confused, you get nothing. Sometimes you can be lucky and plug the missing hardware back in and it will work.

Other times, no.

But at least the solution is simple - telnet in and delete ioconfig.conf, then reboot.

Any time I make a change now I delete ioconfig.conf, just in case. That includes serial ports, firewire, etc.

If you get a chance, grab a firewire card. Firewire card readers are handy. External firewire disks are okay but now that we have sata, not as essential.

Anyway, I'm excited. Love Big Red!

They do have their quirks but overall, yes. Pretty nice :D
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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby bitcpy » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:54 pm

Congrats on the Fuel acquisition!

I recently got one myself and love it. Leaps and bounds ahead of the Indigo2 I started with and a much more usable machine I must say.

While you are getting used to it, keep a null modem cable handy because it will be your best friend.. lol..

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:02 pm

Oh, I still love my Indy. It's still a great machine. But this one will complement my PowerPC stable very nicely in power and functionality. And love that red!
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:10 pm

Picked up Big Red today. No hard disk, but that was expected. PROM hinv reports 512MB of RAM, but doesn't say what the video card is (any easy way to find out?).

With the KVM, the machine starts fine, but if I switch away the PROM monitor freaks and reports a message "usb_hid_reattach" or some such. Mouse still works, but I have to restart the machine. Hopefully it doesn't do this in Irix when the hard disk I have on order arrives. DVD-ROM seems to read the Irix install disc fine.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby jan-jaap » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:37 am

ClassicHasClass wrote:With the KVM, the machine starts fine, but if I switch away the PROM monitor freaks and reports a message "usb_hid_reattach" or some such.

FYI, I've got a Fuel attached to a Belkin SOHO USB/DVI KVM and that works just fine. Or should I say, worked just fine, the Fuel's DALLAS ran out and with a garbled NVRAM it can be quite cranky when I power it up.
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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby recondas » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:40 am

ClassicHasClass wrote:PROM hinv reports 512MB of RAM, but doesn't say what the video card is (any easy way to find out?).
The command "serial all" run against an L1 command prompt will return lots of interesting info, including the part number of your graphics board (there's an example of a Fuel L1 "serial all" in this post). Depending on your PROM revision you may be able to get similar info from a PROM hinv if you include the -m (manufacturer) switch in the PROM command string (see man prom for details on syntax).

030-1726-00x is the V12 jackpot - 030-1725-00x or 030-1826-00x are V10s.

If you aren't already familiar with the Fuel's L1 controller, normally it can be accessed with a serial terminal connected to the 9-pin serial header on the system board. There's a photo showing the (not immediately obvious) location of the L1 port and some basic terminal configuration parameters in this post.

ClassicHasClass wrote:With the KVM, the machine starts fine, but if I switch away the PROM monitor freaks and reports a message "usb_hid_reattach" or some such. Mouse still works, but I have to restart the machine. Hopefully it doesn't do this in Irix
Never had a reason to switch KVM focus while in the PROM, so I can't offer any person experience on the issue. IRIX only recognizes a very limited (and somewhat proprietary) subset of the USB standard, so it's possible USB support in the PROM firmware might not get past keyboards and mice (and like hot swapped USB gizmos even less). I wouldn't abandon hope until I'd tried it with IRIX running.
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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:45 am

Wow, a blue Fuel! Awesome!

Thanks, recondas, I'm going to try that when I get home. I also have to drop by WalWart and pick up a couple small tabs of Velcro. As mentioned the front door has a (repaired) crack in it, but it also apparently lost its locking tab, so I'm just going to give it a tiny smidge of Velcro to hold it shut.
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:11 pm

030-1726-00x is the V12 jackpot - 030-1725-00x or 030-1826-00x are V10s.


030-1726-005! Woohoo! It's a V12!
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:54 pm

The Fuel is (finally) set up with 6.5.20. I'm now considering what my next step should be to get it Nekoware-ready (see other thread). For future sojourners bringing a Fuel up from scratch:

- KVM is, as mentioned, an Aten CS1764A DVI-USB KVM.
- The PROM monitor worked fine with the USB KVM, but when I booted from my 6.5.20 overlay CD, the miniroot required a PS/2 keyboard; it would not respond to the USB keyboard on the KVM, even though it could see it and complain about it when I switched focus. The mouse still works.
- After installation, I unplugged the PS/2 keyboard, telnetted in and removed /etc/ioconfig.conf and let it redetect its devices. It looks like this now:

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0 /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/15/pci/5/usb/2/3/mouse
0 /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/15/pci/5/usb/2/4/1/keyboard
1 /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/15/pci/4/ecpp
1 /hw/module/001c01/Ibrick/xtalk/15/pci/5/usb/2/4/1/mouse


Yes, there are two meeses. 2/3/mouse appears to be the one actually in use; if I remove it, the mouse is not detected. However, even if I remove 2/4/1/mouse, it just comes back. I might need to fiddle with the KVM's mouse emulation to figure out why that is.
- In general the KVM just works (it still emits usb_hid_reattach errors to the console when I switch away, but unlike the Command Monitor, it redetects it fine when I switch back), *except* in this one case: if I log out as any user other than root. Then the mouse stops working and I have to restart the system. The keyboard works fine, but the mouse stops functioning. However, switching focus is fine, and it doesn't seem to happen if I log out if I was logged in as root. I wonder if there's a permissions problem somewhere, and I don't know if it has anything to do with "the two meeses."
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...

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Re: Shortly to be the proud owner of a Fuel

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:07 pm

(well, by fine I mean the PROM monitor starts with it, but switching away you lose the keyboard but not the mouse)
smit happens.

:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
:Indigo2IMP: purplehaze, 175MHz R10000, Solid IMPACT
probably posted from Image bruce, Quad 2.5GHz PowerPC 970MP, 16GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.11
plus IBM POWER6 p520 * Apple Network Server 500 * RDI PrecisionBook * BeBox * Solbourne S3000 * Commodore 128 * many more...


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