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Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby alexott » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:37 pm

Sorry for the newbie question, but I'm wondering what is the smallest SGI workstation? Indy I presume?

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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby miod » Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:41 pm

alexott wrote:Sorry for the newbie question, but I'm wondering what is the smallest SGI workstation? Indy I presume?

The Indy is the smallest, volume wise. But if you look at the motherboard only, the O2 is even a bit smaller.
:Indigo:R4000 :Indigo:R4000 :Indigo:R4000 :Indigo2:R4400 :Indigo2IMP:R4400 :Indigo2:R8000 :Indigo2IMP:R10000 :Indy:R4000PC :Indy:R4000SC :Indy:R4600 :Indy:R5000SC :O2:R5000 :O2:RM7000 :Octane:2xR10000 :Octane:R12000 :O200:2xR12000 :O200: - :O200:2x2xR10000 :Fuel:R16000 :O3x0:4xR16000 :A350:
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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby alexott » Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:43 pm

Thank you, miod!

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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby josehill » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:25 am

Which leads to things like this - http://www.jumboprawn.net/jesse/projs/laptop.html

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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:31 am

I think the Indy is by far the most space-saving workstation as well: you can put things on it (monitors, other systems, etc). You can't really stack stuff on an O2.
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:Fuel: bigred, 900MHz R16K, 4GB RAM, V12 DCD, 6.5.30
:Indy: indy, 150MHz R4400SC, 256MB RAM, XL24, 6.5.10
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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby alexott » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:37 am

josehill wrote:Which leads to things like this - http://www.jumboprawn.net/jesse/projs/laptop.html

I think I saw it earlier. The fun :)
ClassicHasClass wrote:I think the Indy is by far the most space-saving workstation as well: you can put things on it (monitors, other systems, etc). You can't really stack stuff on an O2.

Thanks! This is where pizza boxes / desktops rule.

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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby ivelegacy » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:38 am

i wonder if someday we will se an INDY synthesized into fpga, this day we will have an IRIS laptop, or PDA.
Actually we do not have enough information about firmware and hardware, every SGI-hw emulators have been dropped
may be just a dream
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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby alexott » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:17 am

Indy hardware seems to be most documented amongst others according to this post: viewtopic.php?p=116907#p116907
FPGA is really a panacea for an aging hardware. There are already FPGA clones of old Amiga models, so maybe we well see same for SGI machines some day. This just needs some heavy lifting of reverse engineering, developing etc.

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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby ivelegacy » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:43 pm

alexott wrote:Indy hardware seems to be most documented


well, we know something because SGI has released something (and more specifically about the gfx, for the most), but it is not enough.

alexott wrote:FPGA is really a panacea for an aging hardware. There are already FPGA clones of old Amiga models


the real problem is: we can't emulate a 200Mhz MIPS CPU plus its gfx pipe with a common cheap fpga (e.g. spartan6 by Xilinx), we need harder fpga (even if under the "enterprise level, e.g. Virtex by Xilinx), which are expensive. So, the resulting hw will go for 500 euro at least.

The MIST project is an example of relative cheap (200 euro) Amiga500 design plus C64 and a lot of 8 bit computers and console. It uses a cheap and common Cyclone* fpga by Altera.
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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby recondas » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:35 pm

josehill wrote:Which leads to things like this - http://www.jumboprawn.net/jesse/projs/laptop.html


If anyone wants a closer look at the insides, a forum member (geo) actually has an "jumboprawn" O2 laptop purchased directly from the original creator: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16725597&p=7342801&#p7342801
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Welcome to ARMLand - 0/0x0d00
running...(sherwood-root 0607201829)
* InfiniteReality/Reality Software, IRIX 6.5 Release *
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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby alexott » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:47 pm

ivelegacy wrote:well, we know something because SGI has released something (and more specifically about the gfx, for the most), but it is not enough.

I'm intersting how far http://www.vanheusden.com/miep/ or http://gxemul.sourceforge.net/gxemul-st ... bsdsgimips will go. Probably some reverse engineering guru could help them.

Looks like it's not a deal to go with SimOS viewtopic.php?p=116966#p116966 And I suppose adjusting zones layout means also adjusting IRIX kernel built for it. But we have no sources of that kernel :(

the real problem is: we can't emulate a 200Mhz MIPS CPU plus its gfx pipe with a common cheap fpga (e.g. spartan6 by Xilinx), we need harder fpga (even if under the "enterprise level, e.g. Virtex by Xilinx), which are expensive. So, the resulting hw will go for 500 euro at least.

I wonder whether there are new ABI compatible MIPS CPUs to offload this task from FPGA scheme? Or mixed design is not possible? Also selling as non-assembled i.e. kit should drop price a bit.

recondas wrote:If anyone wants a closer look at the insides, a forum member (geo) actually has an "jumboprawn" O2 laptop purchased directly from the original creator: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16725597&p=7342801&#p7342801


Thanks for bringing it here. So this thing is real :)

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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby TeamBlackFox » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:23 pm

Emulation of IRIX is fruitless guys. Just sit back and enjoy the hardware we have. If you want more, best phone up Rackable and beg them to open source IRIX and the other IP surrounding it.
SGI:
:Fuel: R16000A@900MHz 3GB V10
:Tezro: Quad R16000@700MHz, 8GB, V12/DCD, DM3 6.5.30 Byakuren
L2 Controller
Non-SGI:
HP C8000 2x PA-8900 1GHz 8GB Nazrin
2x ThinkPad x230 i5-3210M 2.53GHz 8GB HD4000 FreeBSD 10.1 Benben & Yatsuhashi
IBM IntelliStation 265 Dual POWER3-II@450MHz Jigoku-Karasu ( Hell Raven )

Incoming/On bench for repair/not in service:
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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby alexott » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:41 pm

TeamBlackFox wrote:If you want more, best phone up Rackable and beg them to open source IRIX and the other IP surrounding it.

We need petition but I doubt it will get enough votes... Right, it's better to relax and wait another 20 years more before they release it open source as good-will gesture :) If they do this ever.
But this will open another can of worms. As it will be fully open people will go porting it to the modern MIPS hardware. And maybe porting to x86 and writing binary translator to run apps of heritage.

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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby TeamBlackFox » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:43 pm

If you want to start a new petition then share it on Reddit and other sites, I can write up a few paragraphs explaining how it would benefit the Linux, BSD and other communities and why they should care. I'm just not motivated enough to do a petition the right way.
SGI:
:Fuel: R16000A@900MHz 3GB V10
:Tezro: Quad R16000@700MHz, 8GB, V12/DCD, DM3 6.5.30 Byakuren
L2 Controller
Non-SGI:
HP C8000 2x PA-8900 1GHz 8GB Nazrin
2x ThinkPad x230 i5-3210M 2.53GHz 8GB HD4000 FreeBSD 10.1 Benben & Yatsuhashi
IBM IntelliStation 265 Dual POWER3-II@450MHz Jigoku-Karasu ( Hell Raven )

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:O3x0: O350
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Re: Smallest SGI workstation

Unread postby alexott » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:56 pm

I would like to, but I'm not good in english :)
We already have an IRIX Interactive Desktop freeing petition https://www.change.org/p/silicon-graphi ... ve-desktop It was advertised on things like Twitter, but people got no interest.
What would be good after starting IRIX open source petition is to ask each forum member to sign it (by sending mass PMs?). This will give initial amount of votes. After that members with good SGI background could explain the need of it and defend it in flames on places like Reddit to give another mass of votes.
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