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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby recondas » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:15 pm

bri3d wrote:as you can see the bedrock gets pretty hot but I'm at altitude (8000ft) so it might be an effect of that rather than my hacky cooling.

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                              Advisory   Critical   Fault      Current
Description       State       Temp       Temp       Temp       Temp
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 6 BEDROCK           Enabled    [Autofan Control]    70C/158F   51C/123F

51C/123F falls under the bedrock fault temp of 70C/158F listed by your L1, but would be above the 48C/118F crtical temp given by nekonoko's O350 <and very close to his system's 55C/131F fault temp>.

The SGI Onyx 350 Visualization System User's Guide gives the average heat dissipation for the Onyx 350 with InifinitePerformance graphics at 1700 Btu/hr average, and a headless Onyx 350 compute module at 1315 Btu/hr average. A fairly large increase when you consider the InfinitePerformance system lost a significant portion of it's exhaust capacity with the removal of one of the two large 112 cfm radial fans <to allow installation of the graphics board>. That may also be why the L1 fan speed table includes a fan speed for 'Odyssey'. The 030-1909-003 V12 SGI uses in the Onyx 350 IP may have a different part number because it includes a fan.

The differences in heat dissipation and exhaust fan capacity is probably the reason the L1 env output <and fault temperatures given> for the headless and IP graphics systems are different. Apparently when an Odyssey board is detected the L1 uses a different table of fan speeds, temps and thermal zones.
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby bri3d » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:47 pm

recondas wrote:The differences in heat dissipation and exhaust fan capacity is probably the reason the L1 env output <and fault temperatures given> for the headless and IP graphics systems are different. The When an Odyssey board is detected the L1 uses a different table of fan speeds, temps and thermal zones.


The different fan speeds and thermal zones are almost certainly due to the Odyssey - but the different thermal cutoffs are probably to do with that I have my L1 in High Altitude mode (as I'm at altitude). I have another chassis with no Odyssey, and altitude mode can be toggled - so I'll check all that when I get home.

UPDATE: The altitude setting moves all of my fault thresholds *down* by 5C - so high altitude's fault is at 70C and low altitude's is at 75C.

My system without the ODYSSEY has the same environmental thresholds - so it might be PROM versions or it might be the Autofan thing.

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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby bplaa.yai » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:05 pm

I picked up my O350 today, and installed the V10 this afternoon.
I was quite lucky to get the main node of an Onyx 350 configuration, so it came with all the extras (PS2 connectors, usb card, M-Audio card, DVD drive).
Here are some more pictures of the install process :
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no pci card to hunt, everything is here already !
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the V10 before
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the V10 after rework for fitting
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V10 installed with the rear panel in place
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components layout once the V10 installation is done
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onyx 350 !!! well, just an onyx IP...
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby bri3d » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:24 pm

Interesting - your Onyx350 has plastic airflow guides over the RAM while my Origin350 didn't. I would say it might be CPU-configuration dependent, but I just took a quick look and TechPubs also shows Origin350s always having no RAM covers and Onyx350s always having them. Weird.

Anyway nice job on the install - I still haven't gotten around to reworking my rear cover, so you did a far better job than I :)

Let us know how the environmentals hold up - I see there are fewer fans in that system.

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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby recondas » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:45 pm

Congratulations bplaa.yai! I agree with bri3d - nice mod on the V10 bulkhead.

When you get the opportunity, consider posting an hinv and the output of an L1 "env" to add to the info Brian has made available.
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby foetz » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:35 pm

bplaa.yai wrote:I picked up my O350 today, and installed the V10 this afternoon.
I was quite lucky to get the main node of an Onyx 350 configuration, so it came with all the extras (PS2 connectors, usb card, M-Audio card, DVD drive).
Here are some more pictures of the install process :


that's great!
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby recondas » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:02 pm

bri3d wrote:Let us know how the environmentals hold up - I see there are fewer fans in that system.

*If* bplaa.yai wants to add additional fans like the three 60mm units that came with your O350, and his nodeboard doesn't include the fan headers like your 1GHz systems does, there might be a workaround <that might also stop the L1 fan warnings>.

He may be able to use 60mm PWM fans routed through a PWM splitter to the 4-pin PWM fan header the radial exhaust fan <replaced by the V10> was originally attached to.
    *NOTE*: The industry standard for PWM fans specifies a specific wire color codes and header pin assignments.<see page 19>:
      Pin 1 - Black <ground>
      Pin 2 - yellow <12VDC>
      Pin 3 - green <sense>
      Pin 4 - blue <control>
    The Papst RER 101-36/12 radial fan that was originally connected to that fan header has non-standard wire colors. The Papst spec sheet lists the color code/function for the RER 101-36/12:
      red - 12VDC
      blue - ground
      white - tach <sense>
      violet - PWM <control>
    When compared with the Papst wire colors, the photos of bri3d and bplaa.yai's O350s seem to indicate SGI used a non-standard pin assignment:
      Pin 1 - 12VDC
      Pin 2 - PWM
      Pin 3 - tach/sense
      Pin 4 - ground
as well as a much larger connector housing/pin spacing, so the connector from the original Papst fan will have to be used. I don't have an O350 to confirm those assignments - so if anyone intends to try this meter the header pins first!!

There is one other long shot - there appears to be an unused three-pin fan header <next to the four-pin PWM fan headers>. This photo <zoomed and cropped from one posted in this thread>, #1 and #2 are the four-pin PWM exhaust fan headers; and #4 is what I suspect might be a three-pin fan header. I say suspect, because the cable attached to the <adjacent and similar>header #3 appears to be routed to the power supply fan at the front of the case <#5>:
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The function of this header will also need to be metered to prove or disprove its function, but if it is a fan header, it *might* be the intended location for the attachment of the Odyssey fan in the factory version of an Onyx350 IP. If #4 is a three-pin fan header, SGI may not have used standard pin assignments <as was also noted in the Fuel>.

Postscript: SGI's nonstandard pin-out for the 3-pin fan header <labled as #4 in the photo above> is apparently:
    Pin 1 - 12VDC
    Pin 2 - Tach
    Pin 3 - Ground
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby bplaa.yai » Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:48 pm

It looks like that recondas' suspicion about header #4 was right; by connecting a 80mm fan wired the "fuel way", we get an env rpm reading for the ODY fan. Maybe also worth to note that my first attempt with a crappy low rpm pc fan didn't work (fan was running but nothing reported to L1), but the second attempt with the old fans from my O300 worked.
Now the FAN #4 Warning is gone :)
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001c01-L1>env
Environmental monitoring is enabled and running.

Description    State       Warning Limits     Fault Limits       Current
-------------- ----------  -----------------  -----------------  -------
          1.8V    Enabled  10%   1.62/  1.98  20%   1.44/  2.16    1.79
           12V    Enabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40   12.06
           12V    Enabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40   12.06
          3.3V    Enabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.34
        12V IO    Enabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40   12.06
        5V aux    Enabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    5.07
      3.3V aux    Enabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.25
        5V aux    Enabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    5.07
          3.3V    Enabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.34
          2.5V    Enabled  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    2.51
            5V    Enabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    4.94
  XIO 12V bias    Enabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40   11.94
        XIO 5V    Enabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    4.91
      XIO 2.5V    Enabled  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    2.46
  XIO 3.3V aux    Enabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.29
NODE0 3.3V aux    Enabled  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.27
  NODE0 5V aux    Enabled  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    5.10
     NODE0 12V    Enabled  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40   12.06
     NODE0 CPU    Enabled  10%   1.13/  1.38  20%   1.00/  1.50    1.27
    NODE0 SRAM    Enabled  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    2.48
    NODE0 1.5V    Enabled  10%   1.35/  1.65  20%   1.20/  1.80    1.49

Description    State       Warning RPM  Current RPM
-------------- ----------  -----------  -----------
FAN 0  EXHST 1    Enabled         2160         2327
FAN 1       PS    Enabled         1800         2163
FAN 2    PCI 1    Enabled         2160         2327
FAN 3    PCI 2    Enabled         2160         2616
FAN 4      ODY    Enabled         1679         2596

                              Advisory   Critical   Fault      Current
Description       State       Temp       Temp       Temp       Temp
----------------- ----------  ---------  ---------  ---------  ---------
 0 INTERFACE 0       Enabled    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   46C/114F
 1 INTERFACE 1       Enabled    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   46C/114F
 2 INTERFACE 2       Enabled    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   40C/104F
 3 PCI RISER         Enabled    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   32C/ 89F
 4 ODYSSEY           Enabled    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   35C/ 95F
 5 NODE              Enabled    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   40C/104F
 6 BEDROCK           Enabled    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   52C/125F

                     Zone Temp     Target    Current   Zone Fan   Curr/Min
Zone Name  State     Sensors       Average   Average   Index      Fan %
---------  --------  ------------  --------  --------  ---------  ---------
NODE        Enabled     0,1,2,5,6  47C/116F  44C/111F          0   18%/ 18%
PS          Enabled     0,1,2,5,6  47C/116F  44C/111F          1   55%/ 55%
PCI         Enabled             3  45C/113F  32C/ 89F        2,3   55%/ 55%
ODY         Enabled             4  48C/118F  35C/ 95F          4   55%/ 55%
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby recondas » Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:04 pm

Glad to hear that bplaa.yai. Since attaching a fan does stop the warning messages about fan #4, and according to the L1 env, fan #4 is assigned to the Odyssey graphics board, it seems almost certain the 'factory' IP V12 had a fan.

My next guesstimate is that there's an 'exhaust' port for the factory IP Odyssey fan <it appears to be closed in photos of the Origin 350>:
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby tjsgifan » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:13 am

In my system (which I have now got some photos of) the DM3 board has it's own cooling fan attached underneath, which is the same I guess as the one used in the graphics option.

Photos added to gallery : http://www.nekochan.net/gallery2/v/SGI_Photos/album126/beaker/
In order of use at the moment..... :Fuel: :O3000:

Currently looking to buy good :Fuel: and :O2: :O2+: machine.

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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby recondas » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:57 am

tjsgifan wrote:In my system (which I have now got some photos of) the DM3 board has it's own cooling fan attached underneath, which is the same I guess as the one used in the graphics option.

Thanks for taking the time to take and post those photos Toby!

I used Toby's photos to look up the fan. It's a Delta BFB0712H radial fan <also known as a blower>, 75mm x 75mm x 30mm, 2900RPM, 11.3CFM. Both Delta's spec sheet and Digi-Key's web page list the BFB0712H as a two-wire fan <no tach sense/speed control>, but Toby's photo clearly shows a three-wire fan, so this one might be an SGI custom.

Interesting arrangement on the DM3. It appears the fan is attached to a metal shroud on the bottom of the DM3. It apparently draws air across the DM3, through an opening in the shroud and then exhausts out the opening on the case below the DM3.
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby bplaa.yai » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:12 am

OK, I finally took the time to finish my cooling setup.
I went for 3 delta fans (FFB0612VHE, spec sheet here), mounted on a home made aluminium mount.
The only drawback is that I only get rpm ready from one fan out of three.
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Re: V12 in Origin350 / InfinitePerformance? - WORKS!

Unread postby recondas » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:24 am

bplaa.yai wrote:OK, I finally took the time to finish my cooling setup.
I went for 3 delta fans (FFB0612VHE, spec sheet here), mounted on a home made aluminium mount.
The only drawback is that I only get rpm ready from one fan out of three.
Nicely done! Makes for a very clean installation - and I'm sure they more a fairly significant amount of air.
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Re: V12 in O350 / InfinitePerformance?

Unread postby shadowless » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:54 pm

bri3d wrote:A V10 arrived for me today!

I'm working on getting it inserted and the cooling rerouted right now!

The good news: The V10's huge heatsink clears the node board (with the metal box removed, obviously) by a fair amount.
The bad news: I had to remove the back connector plate from the V10 - it looks like the ones in real Onyx 350s might have them, but the back plate on this Fuel V10 wouldn't clear the serial daughtercard.
The really stupid news: To seat the V10 in the slot, *both* blower fans must be removed. Once the V10 is slotted in, the second blower can be put back. What a pain.

Once I get the cooling set up I'll see what the software thinks of this setup :)

IT WORKS!
PROM says:

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Odyssey board #0 found on nasid 0
Running Odyssey xtalk sanity diag...
        Board version 1 - Buzz revision 2B
        On board sdram size: 32 Mb
        Cas latency: CAS 3
        2 banks by sdram module
Running Odyssey Buzz registers diag...
Device passed diagnostics


Got to do a reinstall to get all the graphics stuff in my IRIX - and I don't have an OHCI USB controller handy, so no X for me yet, but this is a viable, working config!


The PROM does not show the Odyssey board. Do i need to enable the PROM automatic update or some L1 settings to make the system detect and update the PROM?

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Re: V12 in O350 / InfinitePerformance?

Unread postby recondas » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:30 pm

shadowless wrote:The PROM does not show the Odyssey board. Do i need to enable the PROM automatic update or some L1 settings to make the system detect and update the PROM?

It wouldn't hurt anything try the PROM command "update", but something doesn't seem right. Both of the ones I've done automatically appeared during the first power-up after installation.

Can you post the output of the L1 command "serial all"?

Considering that rough handling displaced the serial daughterboard, it might not be a bad idea to make sure the XIO/PCI riser is fully seated/undamaged.
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