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Re: Are we a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:18 am
by Dodoid
We do have some new "young" members as you put it.

I'm 14, LarBob is 16. Not sure about others, but I think it's safe to say that even if there is at some point a silent switchover where the majority of Nekochan users learned what SGI was only after they were acquired (after all, I was only 7 years old in 2009), that's no reason to assume everyone will simply forget about SGI. There's plenty of interest in old Apple stuff from people who weren't alive when it came out, same with video games. SGIs might be a bit more niche, but they always have been. Even this Wired article from 2004, (which talks about Nekochan) describes it as a niche community, and back then IRIX was still getting updates!

So, no, I don't think we're all doomed to sell all our SGIs to one really interested collector as everyone leaves the forum. Sure, people sell off their collections, but heck, a collection selloff was where I got my first SGIs a year or so ago, and every time someone does sell off their collection there's plenty of talk of people buying systems and starting their own collections. They don't disappear into a void, they start or expand other collections. Same with the Montreal lot I recently bought. The Octane2 I bought went to another Nekochanner rather than into my "corner of IP30". I chose to do so because I didn't need another Octane and could partially recover the cost of buying the lot by selling a piece, but the "grand scheme" side effect is that the system went to someone with fewer machines who did want an Octane. It balances out, and if someone wants to have a large collection, there's not so few SGIs in the world that a few avid collectors can inadvertently screw up the entire community.

Re: Are we a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:54 am
by Irinikus
Dodoid wrote:We do have some new "young" members as you put it.


It's great that people like you and LarBob have joined Nekochan and have such a keen interest in SGI. That definitely shows that there's hope in keeping this community alive. :D

I don't have a problem with avid collectors of SGI gear at all and certainly don't believe that they can or will inadvertently screw up the entire SGI community. In fact, I believe the opposite and would encourage it! I intend being an avid collector of SGI gear myself.

I absolutely realize that Nekochan is a niche community, and that's a good thing in my opinion! I suppose that I just wish that there was some way to get more of the registered members of this site to be active on a more frequent basis, that's all. :D

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:32 am
by uunix
Why has the thread title changed? This makes no sense now as the OPs question was not this and none of the answers will make any sense.

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:38 am
by Irinikus
I changed the thread title, as I realize that I probably asked the wrong question initially, considering the response I was getting.

I intended the thread to be constructive and hopefully with this title it will be.

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:49 pm
by ClassicHasClass
You work so hard to get a decent collection together, why on earth would you part with it after all the effort you put in?


Because the wife says so? ;)

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:34 pm
by HurricaneJames
ClassicHasClass wrote:Because the wife says so? ;)


This exactly!

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:16 am
by JacquesT
I joined around 2007/2008, have always had in interest in SGI coming from a non-pc (mostly Amiga based) background. (SGI machines were so rare in South Africa where I grew up!!)

I managed to buy an Octane 2 and O2 from Ian in Scotland, did some 3D stuff on it then life got in the way and had to sell up (back to Ian). Now that I have a little more time on weekend evenings I intend to 'hobby' restore an Octane and get Irix back onto it. It will always just be a hobby for me but I do think this site will always represent a user base of people who love classic vintage *unix based / non-mainstream workstations. The amount of shared knowledge on this site is amazing and I've never had somebody call me 'noob' or taken an elitest attitude to me as a new user.

People come and go based on life / interests. It's just quite fluid...There will be people who naturally gravitate here (like Dodoid) bacause they have an interest in how things were in the past and then some will sell up and move on.

ps - there are whole forums dedicated to Betamax...some things just don't go into the night quietly)

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 pm
by vishnu
HurricaneJames wrote:
ClassicHasClass wrote:
Irinikus wrote:You work so hard to get a decent collection together, why on earth would you part with it after all the effort you put in?


Because the wife says so? ;)


This exactly!


If my wife told me my SGIs had to go, well, something would be going alright but it wouldn't be my SGIs... :twisted:

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:31 pm
by Hakimoto
A lot of the folk around here know, when I moved out of Europe I let go of my entire collection (SGI, Sun, Intergraph, Apple...). Just no way to store it anywhere or take it along. Now, all of the machines found nice new homes but as dexter1 put it the other day: they will all, eventually, bite the dust. IRIX emulation is, for me, the only way forward. I'm very much looking forward to the day we can boot IRIX in a box. And then I'll happily take up tinkering with it again. For now, I have no hardware, and every time I look at hardware I'm not in the least bit tempted because it's all very expensive and elusive now. (At least the performant stuff and I should say here that I had a dual 270 Octane, so I was spoiled.) It's sad but for anyone looking to get into the hobby these days it's either getting some low-end gear and loving it for nostalgia's sake or sinking a lot of money into systems that will, eventually, become harder and harder to maintain.

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:17 am
by jan-jaap
Hakimoto wrote:I let go of my entire collection [...] all of the machines found nice new homes

Yeah, I recall pulling some 4D/35 bits out of a basement in Brussels :)
Hakimoto wrote:these days it's either getting some low-end gear and loving it for nostalgia's sake or sinking a lot of money into systems that will, eventually, become harder and harder to maintain.

True. For me, even though I've worked with these systems when they were used commercially, it's now a matter of tinkering in the evening hours. Tinkering is what I do for relaxation, others zap around hoping to find a TV channel that's not mind-numbingly stupid, or consume an endless stream of uninteresting Facebook updates from people they can't be bothered to meet in real life. All coated in a thick layer of annoying commercials for products you don't need. Their choice (maybe), but not mine.

Strangely (?) I find tinkering with a low-end Indigo2 more satisfying than with a quad 1GHz Tezro. I can use the Tezro (it can do things other SGIs can not, or much slower), but there's always that latent fear that something very very expensive will break. I cannot stock a couple of spare 4x1GHz boards. The expense simply isn't justifiable towards my family.

That Indigo2 I rescued not so long ago cost me essentially nothing (well, 50 bucks and a 10 minute drive). If I somehow break it I won't loose any sleep over it. It's not super-rare, parts are easily found (even if they would probably cost more than I paid for the entire machine). I enjoyed tearing it down, cleaning it up and bringing it back to it's former glory. I would have killed for a system like this in '97 when I was struggling with a 100MHz Indy. ;)

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:51 am
by Irinikus
Hakimoto wrote:It's sad but for anyone looking to get into the hobby these days it's either getting some low-end gear and loving it for nostalgia's sake or sinking a lot of money into systems that will, eventually, become harder and harder to maintain.


The process that you have to go through to acquire these machines especially these days, and keep them going is what makes this hobby worth it. :D

And as Jan-Jaap mentioned, it’s far better than wondering aimlessly though movie channels, as most people seem to do these days.

Jan-Jaap wrote:Strangely (?) I find tinkering with a low-end Indigo2 more satisfying than with a quad 1GHz Tezro.


I agree, the Indigo2 is probably one of the best SGI's even though it's not the fastest. I personally think that the Max Impact graphics options for one of these machines is one of the coolest pieces of SGI gear. These machines are also very expandable.

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:59 am
by Hakimoto
Irinikus wrote:The process that you have to go through to acquire these machines especially these days, and keep them going is what makes this hobby worth it. :D


Oh, I completely agree. ;) I just don't have the resources and motivation for this anymore. That's why I'm waiting for emulation. :lol:

In another hobby of mine I still do that though, going through long and difficult acquisition processes and that definitely makes it worth it. It's an adventure in itself!

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:35 am
by VenomousPinecone
Hakimoto wrote:I just don't have the resources and motivation for this anymore.

This.

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:08 am
by Hakimoto
VenomousPinecone wrote:This.


Acquiring physical machines and maintaining them.

Re: How can we encourage better group participation on this site?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:25 pm
by VenomousPinecone
Hakimoto wrote:Acquiring physical machines and maintaining them.


I feel you, especially the maintaining part. That is where I had to give up the life, I wasn't going to be able to keep fixing the system indefinitely.