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Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:56 pm 
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Over the past few months there have been a number of occasions where I’ve been asked to intervene in trades gone wrong between Nekochan members.

Please keep in mind that I currently provide Nekochan as an advertisement free service - this means I haven’t seen any revenue for running Nekochan since its inception several years ago. This is partially done because I myself am not a big fan of web advertising, and if I can do a small part to minimize it – hey, that’s great stuff!

But this monetary freedom also means there is very little tethering me to the site – if I begin to perceive that Nekochan has become more of a burden then a boon due to involvement in disputes, lawsuits or what have you, I can easily walk away from it. In fact, I’d save quite a few bucks every month which I could use to buy some neat toys.

In short, if you have a problem with a trade – please, don’t bother me about it. I like to think that most people here are trustworthy and reliable, but that’s really a statistical improbability. Caveat emptor.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:50 am 
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Well said

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Well, I probably could have said it a little better - I was annoyed at the time :)

Basically I just wanted to get out there that I'm not the Nekochan trade ombudsman - what happens in a trade is your own business.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:16 pm 
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what happens in a trade is your own business.


Very laissez faire.

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Very laissez faire.


Either that, or remove the Bazaar section - but that would be very Draconian.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:58 pm 
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porter wrote:
Very laissez faire.


No individual here should be punished because of a few bad seeds with less than scrupulous practices. After all, didn't we lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when we left public school?

Maybe a public outing of these cats would help set some matters straight, but that should be reserved for some blog unassociated with nekochan.


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The challenge is that is takes a lot off effort to get to the root of problems - to gather evidence and make a call - I (most) of the people on the board are adults and should be capable of doing their own due dilligence..

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I've had a couple sales to Nekochan members go wrong as well (one blew up the gear I sold him and wanted his money back, and the other took 6 months to finish paying), but I can't see what Neko could possibly do to affect the outcome.

Having been in your shoes, Neko, and having pulled the plug on an online community when it imploded, I hope things don't get that bad for you. (Although that was my wife's alternative parenting website, so with a bunch of hormonally-unstable women, it was doomed from the start...)

Keep up the good work! :-)

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a bunch of hormonally-unstable women


Now that sounds really scary!!!!!!!

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Now that sounds really scary!!!!!!!


Yeah, it was. There wasn't really a whole lot of intellectual discourse. About the only thing that really bound the community together was an "anti-mainstream" theme. Any time an online community's theme is "anti" anything, it's doomed. Get a bunch of pregnant/lactating women together to discuss parenting issues... That's a whammy on so many levels I don't know where to start...

Nekochan is a pleasant contrast. It's "pro-SGI" with objective, intellectual discussions that don't really have much opportunity to get emotional. Well, apart from the occasional heated debate in "everything else", anyway. But at least those don't happen very often.

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Maybe a disclaimer might be in order? Something simple saying that Nekochan or its operators are not responsible for anything in the bazaar, and users should research potential buyers/ sellers before contemplating a transaction?

I seriously don't know why users would complain to Neko if their deal went south. I actually had a bad experience with someone on the forum which is documented in another thread. I knew it was my own fault for not investigating the user (niker) completely, since it seems I wasn't the only one here he shortchanged. It kind of really sucks, since I wasn't buying or selling anything with him, just offering to be a helpful US enthusiast to pick up local hardware and forward it to him in Slovakia at cost. I still have my $600 shipping bill (Octane2s and VBOBs are heavy) of which I was paid less than half. Not to mention the customs nonesense he put me through. I declared the items at the eBay purchase price, since custom fraud is a big thing and the USPS often will ask for receipts and proof of payment if they need to pay a claim, but of course he didn't want to pay the fees. Anyway... enough of my rant. The end result is a major reluctance to do something similar in the future. That said, the vast majority of my deals on the forum have been good and I hope one or two bad apples doesn't ruin it for everyone.

EDIT: Grammer.


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This country (Slovakia) is nicely filled with hogs. Ofcourse not everyone is bad but before some time (not so long) it was impossible to offer something from internet becouse of sutch peoples like tillin9 said about... :(

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Unread postPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:19 pm 
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Maybe a disclaimer might be in order? Something simple saying that Nekochan or its operators are not responsible for anything in the bazaar, and users should research potential buyers/ sellers before contemplating a transaction?

I seriously don't know why users would complain to Neko if their deal went south. I actually had a bad experience with someone on the forum which is documented in another thread. I knew it was my own fault for not investigating the user (niker) completely, since it seems I wasn't the only one here he shortchanged. It kind of really sucks, since I wasn't buying or selling anything with him, just offering to be a helpful US enthusiast to pick up local hardware and forward it to him in Slovakia at cost. I still have my $600 shipping bill (Octane2s and VBOBs are heavy) of which I was paid less than half. Not to mention the customs nonesense he put me through. I declared the items at the eBay purchase price, since custom fraud is a big thing and the USPS often will ask for receipts and proof of payment if they need to pay a claim, but of course he didn't want to pay the fees. Anyway... enough of my rant. The end result is a major reluctance to do something similar in the future. That said, the vast majority of my deals on the forum have been good and I hope one or two bad apples doesn't ruin it for everyone.

EDIT: Grammer.


It would take something unimaginable for me to buy or sell anything outside of the country. There's really no reason to, unless it's a reputable dealer like mapesdhs or the like, in which case I would be turned off by the shipping costs. For example, I got a MXI board for my octane from a dealer in michigan. Shipping was $5 and took a couple days. From Ian, the shipping was well over $40 (what the board was worth), and would have taken at least a week or so. Pick yer poison.

Also deals like that where you have to act as the middleman, for somebody you've had no prior dealings with, to ship something to someplace you've never heard of (and will never visit) really rub me the wrong way. Why didn't you wait until you had the payment in full before you shipped it?

Here's a nice rule: "If your deal goes south, we don't want to hear you bitch about it. Use common sense." And then some legalese about how it's nobody's fault but your own.

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It would take something unimaginable for me to buy or sell anything outside of the country. There's really no reason to, unless it's a reputable dealer like mapesdhs or the like, in which case I would be turned off by the shipping costs.


Eh, I ship stuff all over the world, and I'm not a very big reseller. There are quite a few non-US Neko members here that have bought stuff from me. It's not that big a deal to ship internationally.

I've also bought a few dozen things from non-US sellers as well, but you have to take into consideration the total cost of the purchase.

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My Onyx2 arrived with 4 CPUs and 5Gb of RAM... It now has 24 CPUs and 37.5 Gb of RAM, I have got stuff from North Carolina, the midwest and rust belt states, California, Germany, the UK, NY, and probably another half a dozen places I forget right now. If I didn't buy stuff from other nekochanners, I would still have 4 CPUs and 5Gb of RAM.

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It would take something unimaginable for me to buy or sell anything outside of the country.


What turns up on ebay in Australia is miserable.

It is unfortunate that the "don't ship outside the USA" attitude exists, it deprives some geographically challenged people many opportunities.

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