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Re: New Nekochan Wiki!

Unread postby recondas » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:14 pm

PymbleSoftware wrote:
Tabalabs wrote:Which should be better organized...

How so..?
Tabalabs didn't originally post this here. It was so far off-topic in the hinv it was originally posted in I could only assume it ended up there by accident.

Since it dealt directly with the wiki I moved it here.
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Re: New Nekochan Wiki!

Unread postby fu » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:25 am

i just browsed our wiki to check the o2 page and found out that regan & smj are busy on it

it looks much better, nice to see it growin' + rockin' :)

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby fu » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:18 pm

i'll chime in quickly for magellan and all other members to clarify a few things:

recondas (and probably the rest of the team here too) keeps an eye on this 'gator and helps me/you/the girl across the bar/everyone to come back to an updated list.

i personally asked him to do this (whenever he is able to), since i'm sgi-less for quite some time now & i cannot keep a rocksteady beat presence here in the forum.

back in the day, i'd search the forum and just link to the kind of discussion recondas + magellan have above, just to keep this thread as a single-post list (to make my (re)search easier).

to stay honest, the longer it grows, the harder is is to be maintained as a single post. so what do you guys think, shall we migrate this to the wiki? or are you happy as it is?

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby josehill » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:27 pm

fu wrote:back in the day, i'd search the forum and just link to the kind of discussion recondas + magellan have above, just to keep this thread as a single-post list (to make my (re)search easier).

to stay honest, the longer it grows, the harder is is to be maintained as a single post. so what do you guys think, shall we migrate this to the wiki? or are you happy as it is?

It does seem to be a natural fit for the wiki, and likewise for the similar threads for the Octane and the Fuel.

One idea - move the aggregator contents to the wiki, but keep this thread here as a placeholder, perhaps editing the first post to be a pointer to the wiki page and to have a recommendation to add future content directly to the wiki. For those who don't want to edit the wiki directly, messages could be added to this thread as candidates for wiki inclusion.

PS. If agreed, would it make more sense to maintain as a single, long wiki page, or would it be better to break it into smaller pages within a category, e.g. O2 Hardware Aggregator/SCSI HardDisks, O2 Hardware Aggregator/SCSI PCI Cards, O2 Hardware Aggregator/Fibre Channel Cards, and so on?

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby fu » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:34 pm

sounds tres kool to me jose

i'll have to polish my wiki skills again (to be honest editing the wiki ain't easier than editing a phpbb thread. to me at least). i think it'll look better on the wiki though.

what about the rest of you guys? let's vote, this thread ain't mine

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby josehill » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:53 pm

fu wrote:to be honest editing the wiki ain't easier than editing a phpbb thread. to me at least). i think it'll look better on the wiki though.

It's true that learning/relearning how to edit wikis can be a bit of a barrier, particularly for "one-time" or casual users. It's not difficult, but it is a little arcane. That's why I think it should be okay to put candidate items for wiki inclusion here on the thread. I'd rather have the information shared somewhere so that it can be incorporated later, rather than not having it shared at all because someone didn't want to sign up for a wiki account and learn a little wiki syntax just to add a one line item.

I'm happy to pitch in with the converting/editing. I'd like to hear a little more feedback about organizing the content (single page vs multiple pages within a wiki category) before spending time on it, though.

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby fu » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:13 pm

thanks for the offer jose

pretty much covers my wiki concerns too. no problem going through the wiki editing basics again. actually it works out nicely when i get full of the stuff i work with. let's wait to hear thoughts from the rest of the guys and discuss taxonomy.

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby PymbleSoftware » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:14 pm

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fu wrote:to be honest editing the wiki ain't easier than editing a phpbb thread. to me at least). i think it'll look better on the wiki though.

It's true that learning/relearning how to edit wikis can be a bit of a barrier, particularly for "one-time" or casual users. It's not difficult, but it is a little arcane. That's why I think it should be okay to put candidate items for wiki inclusion here on the thread. I'd rather have the information shared somewhere so that it can be incorporated later, rather than not having it shared at all because someone didn't want to sign up for a wiki account and learn a little wiki syntax just to add a one line item.

I'm happy to pitch in with the converting/editing. I'd like to hear a little more feedback about organizing the content (single page vs multiple pages within a wiki category) before spending time on it, though.


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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby zafunk » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:50 pm

In all honesty, Recondas has been maintaining the Fuel aggregator too (Thanks Dave!). I sold the Fuel and haven't used an SGI in at least two years. I do drop in here once-in-a-while to see what's going on, but I'm not really active anymore.

I'm with Jose. Wikify the aggregators and keep the individual threads going for discussion purposes.

I'd like to know how Recondas feels on the subject, as he's been maintaining the Fuel aggregator on my behalf. Would moving to the wiki be easier or not?

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby GeneratriX » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:11 pm

Well, I really like how it looks when you wikify the kind of forum contents that one should consider permanent or stable, but I need to confess that I find myself very tedious the editing process for the Wiki pages.

So, if anyone else wants to do it, I'll be more than happy! :)

zafunk wrote:I'm with Jose. Wikify the aggregators and keep the individual threads going for discussion purposes.


Ditto!

I'm half-active with the MIPS/IRIX world, mostly because I'm doing almost all with PeeCees and Ubuntu, but I really want to keep the IRIX platform alive because here and there I spend time with it... sometimes, lots of time.

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby fu » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:19 pm

:D nice to see all the rockers here again (hey zafunky, long time no see)

yes, dave is a one-man research army but let's give him (even a small) brake kids. he (jose, or anyone else) may be able to update/help but asking him to do it from scratch sounds way much. we could always keep running the threads here.

i'll start playing again with the wiki, hope there's a way to temporarily store pages before they go live.

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby recondas » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:30 pm

From a conceptual standpoint the wiki makes better sense - articles are more focused/on point than the ad-hoc entry style of a forum. Having said that, the formal presentation style of the wiki doesn't readily foster the level of social interaction that's found in the laid-back atmosphere of the forums - which might partially explain why the wiki has been slower to gain acceptance with some of the regulars.


zafunk wrote:Wikify the aggregators and keep the individual threads going for discussion purposes.

So for that reason I'd agree with zafunk's suggestion to keep a forum discussion in addition to wiki articles would be a good idea - it'll keep another route for input from anyone who might not know the in-n-outs of the wiki interface <or doesn't find the level of wiki peer interaction as socially stimulating>.

For now I'll split the tape drive conversation out to the general hardware forum. Some of that info may prove helpful to someone with an HP DAT drive <with an O2 or any other SGI/MIPS system with a SCSI interface>.
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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby GeneratriX » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:07 pm

I think ideally, any kind of well stablished and highly mature forum as Nekochan is, should include some kind of bots army running in background to condensate/summarize the permanent and/or stable contents into some Wiki variant.

I've always thought it should be that way for many reasons. The more formal style from Wiki contributes to a higher degree of order and structuration, has hierarchical menue entries, and from a casual standpoint it looks clearer than any forums, to not mention that it will be probably indexed faster by Google and all the rest.

I guess the only caveat is... I don't know (at least yet) from any kind of bot capable to do such task... so, you got to go over these little dialect one has to recall each time some editing is required... and when you're not doing it too frequently at all, some people (me!) could find it a bit difficult to retain or recall... :)

So, to put it clear: I really like the Wiki style and/or look and feel for things like that... but I'd have to go and try again...

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby josehill » Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:35 pm

It seems that the folks who have been the main editors/owners of the Hardware Aggregators all agree that a migration to the wiki for article content makes sense, while keeping the existing forum threads alive so that people who are not interested in editing the wiki or who are uncertain about whether something belongs in the wiki can make proposals and sort out any issues.

Next comes organization.

A single, long article for each machine, or a collection of multiple, shorter articles in a category? (Note: PymbleSoftware reminded me that smaller articles can be incorporated automatically into longer articles, as in the "Kernel Rebuild" section of the Optimizing_and_tuning_IRIX article. The drawback there is that it would be easy to forget to add new "sub" articles to a master article.)

Since long articles can be a little unwieldy to edit, I suggest creating new sub-categories for each wikified O2/Octane/Fuel Aggregator within the wiki Hardware: SGI Workstations category. Something like:

  • Hardware: SGI Workstations: O2 Compatible Hardware
  • Hardware: SGI Workstations: Octane Compatible Hardware
  • Hardware: SGI Workstations: Fuel Compatible Hardware

Within each of those categories would be individual articles for each class of component or peripheral. For example, in the Hardware: SGI Workstations: O2 Compatible Hardware category, there would be individual articles for each topic in the current O2 Aggregator:

  • SCSI HardDisks
  • SCSI PCI Cards
  • Fibre Channel Cards
  • FireWire (IEEE-1394) Cards
  • Network Cards
  • CD-ROM Drives
  • CD-RW Drives
  • DVD-ROM Drives
  • DVD-R/RW
  • DVD-RAM Drives
  • DAT/DDS
  • 3.5" Floppy Drives
  • Removable Drives
  • Magneto-Optical (MO) Drives
  • Scanners / Printers
  • Tablets/Mice/Spaceballs
  • PCMCIA Card readers
  • Monitors

Probably something like the "O2 Hardware FAQs" section of the current aggregator would best fit as a separate article in the SGI Workstations category.

What do you guys think? (Regan, since you, along with SMJ and a couple of others are the local wiki gurus, please do chime in!)

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Re: The O2 Hardware Aggregator

Unread postby GeneratriX » Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:43 pm

josehill wrote:Since long articles can be a little unwieldy to edit, I suggest creating new sub-categories for each wikified O2/Octane/Fuel Aggregator within the wiki Hardware: SGI Workstations category. Something like:

  • Hardware: SGI Workstations: O2 Compatible Hardware
  • Hardware: SGI Workstations: Octane Compatible Hardware
  • Hardware: SGI Workstations: Fuel Compatible Hardware

Within each of those categories would be individual articles for each class of component or peripheral.


IMHO it is a very, very, nice idea! I always thought of the the aggregators as some kind of middle stage before to reach the state of a definitive Hardware Compatibility List or something like that.


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