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CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby ritchan » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:25 pm

http://www.abcg.com/TAGITT/abcgTagitt2006021407.pdf
The Sun Blade 2500/1500, HP c8000 and IBM Intellistation POWER 185, 275 and 285 are compared. The 285 comes out with a very long lead, and the high frequency POWER 185 trailing just slightly behind. The 275 is left far behind (sob, my poor 9114-275), whereas the c8000 with its dual core PA-8800 at 1GHz can't even beat the 275's single POWER4+ at 1.45GHz in multithreaded code, which is a rarity in CATIA V4. The FireGL X3 certainly does wonders against the FireGL 4/GXT6500P, although it seems that even 3-4 years after its introduction, the GXT6500P has still performance to spare and is very much CPU limited (probably on purpose so that IBM could gain major performance increases by just pouring money into the CPU, I wonder how much of the 3D pipeline is done by the CPU).

Meanwhile, the Sun machines are incredibly far behind. Why? Is the USIII really in order? If so how did they expect to compete?
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby kev009 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:45 pm

IBM has been dominating silicon since the introduction of POWER1 other than a few brief slips. Remember, IBM has a sizable foundry operations and alliances that its competitors could never match. It also has research labs that have driven much of the industry.

It's a bit sad that they never did POWER6 or POWER7 workstations for us collectors to look for in a few years :-).

Since CATIA is more of the PLM/MCAD variety of CAD I doubt it is very demanding on the 3d GPU pipeline.
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby pentium » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:58 pm

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Unread postby SAQ » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:24 pm

ritchan wrote:Meanwhile, the Sun machines are incredibly far behind. Why? Is the USIII really in order? If so how did they expect to compete?


Yep, all UltraSPARCs are in-order superscalar, and as far as I know no SPARC has been at the top of the heap for technical computing. It was a intentional move by Sun to do in-order, as they determined that their market wouldn't benefit much from OOO.

If you want an OOO SPARC you can get a SPARC64 (Fujitsu).
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby D-EJ915 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:30 pm

Not surprised by the graphics performance, it sure validates HP's choice to move away from designing their own boards and buying from other vendors.
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby D-EJ915 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:34 pm

Considering IBM is partly associated with CATIA I'm not entirely suprised it's slanted toward them haha.
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby arhiman57 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:27 pm

PS : (sorry for my basic english)

This is very interesting. I'm not surprised that IBM win most of the time....

I'm working in automotive industry (not in CAD unfortunatly) and I see many times some new printed drawing with Catia4 label, from Valeo or Bosch etc. Unfortunatly I don't know which unix workstation they use now. Maybe these systems will probably disapeared in the next few years and replaced by the new V6 running on windows, . But the V4 have an extremely long life cycle because many big "current" project was made on this system, so I don't imagine that they converting all the data.

I always wanted to know what is the performance on V4 with an Octane2 and what is the most used unix workstation to run V4 in industry, before they completely disapeared. IBM Power 285 was the last IBM unix workstation to be shipped (Stoped in January 2009 or 2010 if I remember correctly), so I think it's the best system if they make high end things into V4 until now.

Maybe we have someone (a Unix CAD user ) who can teach us more about this subject ?
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby hamei » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:46 am

V 4 has got to be pretty old. Even v5 is up to somewhere north of release 17 now (I quite buying them around then, haven't kept track recently.)

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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby SAQ » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:34 am

hamei wrote:V 4 has got to be pretty old. Even v5 is up to somewhere north of release 17 now (I quite buying them around then, haven't kept track recently.)



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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby arhiman57 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:49 pm

I have made a mistake, V5 work on Unix system like the IBM Power285. It's the V6 version that work only on Windows.
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby hamei » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:46 pm

arhiman57 wrote:I have made a mistake, V5 work on Unix system like the IBM Power285. It's the V6 version that work only on Windows.

They're up tp 6 now ? I better go grab a couple for my collection ! :P

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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby arhiman57 » Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:56 am

They're up tp 6 now ? I better go grab a couple for my collection ! :P


Yes, V6 platform was release at the begining of 2009, only for PC with Windows. The current V5 version is V5R20.
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby hamei » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:27 am

arhiman57 wrote:Yes, V6 platform was release at the begining of 2009 ...

Yikes ! That just shows you how boring pirate software gets after you have two closets full of the junk. Hell, I guess the Software Business has lost $987,000 on me alone ! :P

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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby Dubhthach » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:16 am

hamei wrote:
arhiman57 wrote:Yes, V6 platform was release at the begining of 2009 ...

Yikes ! That just shows you how boring pirate software gets after you have two closets full of the junk. Hell, I guess the Software Business has lost $987,000 on me alone ! :P


shame on you Hamei, How is poor old Larry Ellison gonna afford his weekly champagne budget ;)
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Re: CATIA V4 performance comparisons (Sun, IBM, HP)

Unread postby hamei » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:34 am

Dubhthach wrote:How is poor old Larry Ellison gonna afford his weekly champagne budget ;)

I'm so ashamed. I'll run out tomorrow and pick up a few copies of Oracle. I hope Larry likes Freixenet :P


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