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Unread postby mmendez » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:57 am

This one arrived today. I didn't have any AIX machine so when I saw one on Ebay I thought, let's get it. I also saw some cheap HP Visualize boxes last week but then I remembered how much I dislike Hockey Pucks :D

The machine has a 375MHz 604e, 512MiB of RAM, 1 9GB + 1 15k rpm 36GB HDs. It came with AIX 5.2 but I'll a do clean 5.3 install soon.

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Unread postby Thomas W. » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:22 am

Nice one...

Do you have some screenshots AIX running?

I have never seen AIX... :oops:

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Unread postby mmendez » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:39 am

If you've ever seen Solaris running CDE, that's what an AIX desktop looks like. Nothing really special about that.

The text console is green text on black background. Must be a nostalgia thing :)
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Unread postby kramlq » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:49 am

Is it the way you have taken the photo or is it really only just a little taller than an Octane. I've only ever seen these in photos, and had the impression they were much taller.

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Unread postby mmendez » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:05 am

No, the 43p is pretty small. I was surprised myself when I've opened the box because I originally intended to put my O2 on top of the 43p, expecting it to be bigger than it is. The Octane2 is about 40 cm tall and the 43p is 45.
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Unread postby porter » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:11 pm

I was under the impression that a 43P could only run up to AIX 5.1.

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Unread postby SAQ » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:56 pm

There are multiple 43p models (just like IBM, isn't it?)

7043 43p-140 is a PReP architecture PPC RS/6000 and isn't supported after 5.1
7043 43p-150 is a CHRP RS/6000 and is still supported.

Isn't IBM straightforward in naming machines?

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Re: 43p

Unread postby hamei » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:58 pm

SAQ wrote: Isn't IBM straightforward in naming machines?

IBM reminds me of the girls in high school who would speak pig latin. I was never sure what the point was but they were really good at it. Listen to an old-line IBM-er some day ... it's just a "wow" experience.

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Unread postby mmendez » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:34 am

That's not really different from HP naming all their machines 9000, from the single CPU workstations up to the Superdome :)
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Unread postby Ebbi » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:42 am

AIX 5.1 is the last AIX supporting MCA architecture.
AIX 5.3 does still have a 32-bit kernel.
But for workstation usage at home there is no significant difference between 5.1 and 5.3, unless you have an LPAR system. ;)

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Unread postby Hakimoto » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:34 am

Nice looking kit! :)

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Unread postby SAQ » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:26 pm

mmendez wrote:That's not really different from HP naming all their machines 9000, from the single CPU workstations up to the Superdome :)


Slightly more confusing than that- the 9000 series encompasses at least 3 incompatible processor families (68k (300&400), FOCUS(500), PA-RISC(700&800)) and different targets (the 800s were servers, the 700s were workstations in the PA line, the 300s were HP-only workstations while the 400s were hybrid HP-Apollo in the 68K line). Still, there is a certain system there. I haven't been able to quite figure out the system of IBM (which doesn't mean that there isn't one) FI the type 7012 and the type 7030 are almost identical, while the 7043 has completely different reference plaforms (PReP for some, CHRP for others).

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Unread postby pentium » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:46 pm

Powermac towers look sooo much better with the top floppy bezel (I misplaced mine)
I always thought the octane was tiny. It's just as tall as the powermac!

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Unread postby R-ten-K » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:48 pm

SAQ wrote:Slightly more confusing than that- the 9000 series encompasses at least 3 incompatible processor families (68k (300&400), FOCUS(500), PA-RISC(700&800)) and different targets (the 800s were servers, the 700s were workstations in the PA line, the 300s were HP-only workstations while the 400s were hybrid HP-Apollo in the 68K line). Still, there is a certain system there. I haven't been able to quite figure out the system of IBM (which doesn't mean that there isn't one) FI the type 7012 and the type 7030 are almost identical, while the 7043 has completely different reference plaforms (PReP for some, CHRP for others).


Ironically HP still uses 9000 families for even some of the recent products (visualizes and Itaniums still have an internal 9000-7xx 9000-8xx and 9000-9xx branding).

From what I can gather, 43P is/was the minitower/desktop AIX line, and the 44P is/was the deskside AIX workstation. There are 3 types of 43p, all use a similar chasis, two use a PPC (604s) and the -170 and up use Power3 of some sort. 44s are all POWER I believe. I only know this because I was given a 44 machine and I had to track down a copy of AIX (and even when doing unix, IBM has AIX as a bit of an odd thing) and there were some point versions of AIX that did not support specific machines.

At least in the old days, it made more sense with the POWERStations/servers (7013/7012/7011) series. And then after the mid 90s everything went kookoo in IBMland. Their processors are even more confusing... After POWER2, it went P2SC, POWER64 (I-II-II), POWER3 (I-II), etc. Going to an IBM technical conference is also a trip, they have their own definitions for things that 90% of the industry uses different names, so one has to have a sort of IBM-to-rest of industry dictionary. Heck in some odd systems they still have their own digit encoding other than ASCII, and their own FP representation. IBM was so huge that they could afford to basically give the middle finger to the rest of the field and follow their own definitions.

Same happened with SGI, at some point you knew exactly the family, number and speed of processors and graphics capabilities of the system (ie. 4D330VGXT). Simple and somewhat techno sexy name, but noooooo... at some point someone decided: "lets give'em colour names" and then you end up with an Indigo2 which is actually teal or purple and you have no idea whats inside :-) Marketing... go figure!
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Unread postby SAQ » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:29 pm

(and even when doing unix, IBM has AIX as a bit of an odd thing)


Understatement. . . back in the days of AIX v3 it was described as being "somewhat UNIX-compatible". V4+ are substantially improved, but SMIT is your friend, since IBM has their own config file setups. Post what you think of AIX since you don't like HP-UX :) .

Just came up against one of the HP-UX oddities :x Have a 11i machine that's been offline for quite a while, and I forgot the password. No prob, I'll just boot single-user and change it, right? Wrong- as superuser it still asks for the original password to change passwords-for anyone. Of course, as root you can write any file, so you can go over to /tcb/yadda/yadda and zero the password, but still. :evil:

Say, has anyone here successfully de-differentialed the SCSI on HPs? I'm looking at the tiny 4GB+2GB drives in my C180 and the 18GB FW/SE drive sitting unused on the windowsill and dreaming... I have the soldering iron and jumper wires :twisted:


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