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Unread postby Hakimoto » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:53 am

Sat, I'll send you a PM later (hakimoto writes it down) for ftp access to my Intergraph machine.
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RE:HP vs. SGI

Unread postby the1 » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:25 pm

I too have an HP B2000. I ran HP-UX for a while and found it to be buggy, have broken package management and have little freeware available. I reformatted and installed Debian linux. But.....the built in video card is unsupported in linux except in text mode....so I ordered a vid card that should work. Lately I've been using an sgi indy (24bit XL) with X11 forwarding to display the b2000's graphics, its not a bad system for a temporary hack. If anyone would like to try out that system I offer free shells on it. Check out http://the1.no-ip.com for more info.

Overall I definitly perfer both linux and Irix over HP-UX, and the built in graphics on the B2k were nothing special either. Design wise machine does look powerfull: it has a cool front pannel mini-lcd, lots of space inside, and a giant cylindrical heat sync on the PA-8500. The 8500 with 1.5 meg cache probably has the best price/performance ratio or any RISC I've seen out there. In intiger performance, It's equilivant to maybe a PIII 500mhz. Floating point wise, you would have to go over a ghz on an x86 to match it. Bus bandwidth wise, I bet the B2000 is closer to a PC than an SGI.

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Unread postby Jarndyce911 » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:09 pm

I have a few C300 with the 400MHz processors, and while the clock
speed is higher, I just can't get use to CDE after working with IRIX.
I put Linux on it as an experiment and it was too slow.

Not that it is a true benchmark, but I ran SETI on it with HP-UX and
Linux and the results were about 8 hours on HP-UX, and over 10
running Linux. My Octane R12k 300, runs SETI in just under 7.

I have pictures of the outside of it, nothing special though, just something
to show some friends.

http://gallery2.charlesschwalbach.com/album02

I have two extra if anyone is really interested.

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Unread postby Scott Tarr » Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:12 pm

I think you meant to say C3000. :P

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Unread postby Satoru » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:26 am

the1: if FX2 is supported on Debian I can send you one for shipping cost.
For the freeware, did you tried hpux.connect.org.uk? Something is actually available.
What release of HPUX did you used? I use 11i at work and doesn't seems so terrible in sw management.

CDE does depress me too... have you tried Gnome? It's available even if not really updated...

About I/O: in the x000 series of workstation you get ultra2scsi (80MB/s) and from 2 to 4 PCI buses ranging from 266MB/s to 768MB/s each.
For instance C3000 has 4 PCI buses while my B2000 inly has 2 :(

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RE: Freeware and graphics

Unread postby the1 » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:23 am

I'm pritty sure the fx2 is not supported in Linux. I might still be intrested (if I re-install HP-UX and do a dual boot, using another drive, but that would require getting another SCSI-3 drive...and I kinda wanna save up my computing budget for an Octane2 v8 or v12) I did look at the site you mentioned for freeware, and your right, there is some out there, and I could get most gnu stuff working with a bit of effort, but there just isn't as much out there as there is for Linux or Irix in both freeware and commericial software. I used 11i, perhaps I screwed up somewhere in the installation, but package management seamed eternally borken for one reason or another. I often ended up unpacking the .depot files by hand or with shellscripts I made.

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Unread postby Dubhthach » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:51 am

http://openpa.net/ is an excellent site on HP PA-RISC machines based off the documentation they released for the PA-RISC linux port.
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Package management

Unread postby Involution » Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:40 am

Its not just you, the HPUX package management is a kludge, I recommend you stay far, far away from it. It is able to break many things ;]. 11i (which i dont run atm) is apparently quite compatable with linux src, so build gcc and start compiling away.

I've run HPUX for a few years now, initially 10, now I run 11. Buggy it is not. Its just as stable as my IRIX systems.

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Unread postby Satoru » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:49 pm

Sorry, friends, but I just installed the B2000 (no tuning at all) at a first glance I have to say that mozilla is WAY more usable than on the R12K/300 1GB even if the machine only has 512MB :(
Mozilla on that is about like Firefox on the octane...


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Unread postby Satoru » Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:11 am

That's the installed stuff:

# ioscan
H/W Path Class Description
====================================================
bc
10 ioa System Bus Adapter (582)
10/0 ba Local PCI Bus Adapter (782)
10/0/12/0 lan HP PCI 10/100Base-TX Core
10/0/13/0 audio Built-in Audio
10/0/14/0 ext_bus IDE
10/0/14/0.0 target
10/0/14/0.0.0 disk MITSUMI CD-ROM FX4830T!B
10/0/14/0.7 target
10/0/14/0.7.0 ctl Initiator
10/0/14/1 ba PCI Core I/O Adapter
10/0/14/1/1 tty Built-in RS-232C
10/0/14/1/2 tty Built-in RS-232C
10/0/14/1/3 ext_bus Built-in Parallel Interface
10/0/14/2 usb Built-in USB Interface
10/0/14/2.1 usbhub USB Root Hub
10/0/14/2.1.2 usbhid USB HID Mouse(0)
10/0/14/2.1.3 usbhid USB HID Kbd(1)
10/0/15/0 ext_bus SCSI C895 Ultra2 Wide LVD
10/0/15/0.5 target
10/0/15/0.5.0 disk SEAGATE SX150176LC
10/0/15/0.6 target
10/0/15/0.6.0 disk SEAGATE SX150176LC
10/0/15/0.7 target
10/0/15/0.7.0 ctl Initiator
10/1 ba Local PCI Bus Adapter (782)
10/1/0/0 graphics PCI(103c108b) -- Built-in #5
10/1/1/0 graphics PCI Display (103c1008)
32 processor Processor (400Mhz PA 8500)
49 memory Memory (768MB, just upgraded)

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