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I was grabbed by the dark side...

Unread postby Satoru » Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:26 am

Too bad, but I couldn't resist to the dark side of Unix.
After owning 3 Indy, an I2 (gone), an O2 (gone) and an Octane...
I got an HP-UX machine.
For 200 euros including shipping I got a 400MHz PA8500, 1/2 GB of memory and graphics with texture. Dual graphics actually. Both with texture!
Not as cool as an SGI, but way more affordable :?
Going to power up soon...

Marco/Sat

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Unread postby Hakimoto » Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:15 am

Pictures from the inside, Sat!
The Bandito wrote:In a few years, no doubt, you'll be able to buy a computer,
software and operating system that will match the capabilities
of your current Amiga at about the price you paid for the
Amiga way back when. But you can smile to yourself, knowing
that you were touching the future years before the rest of
the world. And that other computers and operating systems
will do with brute force what the Amiga did years before with
grace, elegance and style.


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Re: I was grabbed by the dark side...

Unread postby hamei » Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:59 am

Satoru wrote:Too bad, but I couldn't resist to the dark side of Unix.
After owning 3 Indy, an I2 (gone), an O2 (gone) and an Octane...
I got an HP-UX machine.
For 200 euros including shipping I got a 400MHz PA8500, 1/2 GB of memory and graphics with texture. Dual graphics actually. Both with texture!
Not as cool as an SGI, but way more affordable :?
Going to power up soon...

Marco/Sat


You're not kidding, the price/performance on those seems much better. And you can get faster cpu's without breaking the bank .... I'd be interested in what you think of it, Satoru. If you want to run some benchmarks .....

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Unread postby nvukovlj » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:55 am

Shame it runs HPUX. That and AIX, are my two least favourite Unix implementations. I'm not talking just about the default install, but can't say I liked programming on them either.

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Unread postby Brombear » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:08 am

nvukovlj wrote:Shame it runs HPUX. That and AIX, are my two least favourite Unix implementations. I'm not talking just about the default install, but can't say I liked programming on them either.


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Unread postby hamei » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:20 am

nvukovlj wrote:Shame it runs HPUX. That and AIX, are my two least favourite Unix implementations. I'm not talking just about the default install, but can't say I liked programming on them either.


But it appears that a lot of people like it better than the alternatives :

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/18 ... ers_react/

hey, SGI ! WAKE UP !! Notice where half of HP's customers don't plan to move AT ALL. And the other half look like moving to Sun or IBM .....

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Unread postby Satoru » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:49 am

I'll provide the picture as soon as tomorrow.
In fact the interior of the B2000 is quite roomy and allows for easy shooting... it looks somewat similar to a good ATX case... but you know, it was the same with the fuel :)
For the benckmark what may I run that's pseudo-crossplatform?

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Unread postby hamei » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:27 am

Satoru wrote: For the benckmark what may I run that's pseudo-crossplatform?

Marco/Sat


If you'd like, there's a VR program that takes quite a while to convert a model ... about an hour. Not too short, not too long for a good cpu test. Real-world, too. When you get comfortable with the new box give me a whistle and we'll figger something out, if you like. I'd be interested to see how the HP stacks up. I'm almost afraid to find out, actually ....

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Unread postby TeeTylerToe » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:04 am

I ran the mplayer -vo null -nosound -quiet -benchmark on the warcraft 3 trailer, and got 183 seconds on my HP C180 running a 180MHz HPPA 64 bit processor, gotta say, I wish I had that 400MHz one.

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Unread postby Scott Tarr » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:00 pm

I've probably overseen the installation of 200 HP-UX machines in the last month. I did an inventory of another 200-400 last week (I don't know the exact number since I inventoried all the UNIX machines).

The B2000 isn't too bad. A C3700 is what you'd like, I imagine.

I don't recall offhand if the B2000 has DVI. I don't believe that it does.

EDIT: I just looked and there were 466 HP-UX machines of various flavor including B2000s, C3000s, C3600s and C3700s. I'm not counting ancient behemoths like the C360s or C200s.

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Unread postby Satoru » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:37 am

I checked what the second graphics was... well I can confirm that I have both an FXE (18MB, 3,5 allocated for textures) built-in and a nicer FX5 (non pro).

Hopefully I should be able to startup (and give some attention to) the machine in the weekend.

Marco/Sat

P.S: how do I send the interior pictures?

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Unread postby vegac » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:56 am

TeeTylerToe wrote:I ran the mplayer -vo null -nosound -quiet -benchmark on the warcraft 3 trailer, and got 183 seconds on my HP C180 running a 180MHz HPPA 64 bit processor, gotta say, I wish I had that 400MHz one.


Glad to see I've instantiated that warcraft III trailer as the unofficial official nekochan mplayer benchmark :)

Really though, it's quite beautiful to look at...and quite mean to your computer :)

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Unread postby Hakimoto » Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:44 am

Sat, I meant to take pictures of the inside of the machine. ;-) Maybe on the web or you can ftp them to me, and i'll host them... :-) Want a look inside!
The Bandito wrote:In a few years, no doubt, you'll be able to buy a computer,
software and operating system that will match the capabilities
of your current Amiga at about the price you paid for the
Amiga way back when. But you can smile to yourself, knowing
that you were touching the future years before the rest of
the world. And that other computers and operating systems
will do with brute force what the Amiga did years before with
grace, elegance and style.


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Unread postby hamei » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:55 pm

Hakimoto wrote:Sat, I meant to take pictures of the inside of the machine. ;-) Maybe on the web or you can ftp them to me, and i'll host them... :-) Want a look inside!


There's lots of HP workstation photos around ... the inside is nothing special. They're like all the older HP stuff used to be - unimaginative but sturdy as hell. Nowhere near as nicely-designed as SGI's.

However, they're cheaper and they have bunches more cpu power .... damn sgi anyway. R18k. Damn them damn them damn them.

This is funny, and so much like what SGI did :

Borrowed from http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/view44.html

In the mid 1990s Sun Microsystems was a cool band. They played sweet songs like "Open Systems". They drove fast SPARC accelerated systems. And they made money for their investors. It looked like they could do no wrong.

How Did Sun Microsystems Fall from Grace?

It wasn't just that the songs got less sweet, or the hubris or the (Java) drugs. Fashions are fickle. The times changed, and the fans changed but the old rockers didn't notice or didn't seem to care.

Sun's decline was charted in many articles in the SPARC Product Directory as it happened. Here are some of the highlights.

In 1996 Sun stopped actively promoting its "SPARC" brand and instead Sun and Java became the new brands. Later when most other SPARC server companies had been driven out of business, this was taken as a sign that Sun may be playing the open systems tunes, but its real tastes were proprietary.

In 1999 Sun's star shone brightly enough that it could have killed off the fledgeling Linux market by launching its own range of Solaris x86 servers, and promoting its OS as an open source standard. But Sun clearly gave the impression that it didn't want to soil its hands with that fithy Intel hardware. Four years later, when Sun tried to go down that route. It was already well worn by others who had been there before.

In 2000 the trendy tunes in the computer market were all about network storage. Sun tried to get into that. But it had too much of a loner image to fit in with all those Intel server users. And it was too fat to squeeze in as a low cost supplier. We said it wouldn't work at the time. Sun spent hundreds of millions of dollars to acquire a new image. But what the market saw was mutton dressed as lamb. It wasn't buying.


[ ring any bells ? "SGI" logo, to the tune of fifty million $$ ? ]

In 2001 Sun got hit by a treble whammy. The dotcom generation, its biggest fans, were getting old or had passed on. And reliability problems dented the cool image of its SPARC servers. And actually when you took a closer look at those SPARC processors they didn't seem so fast any more. Sun had lost its edge.

In the next few years Sun's revenue continued to decline. Its profits disappeared. It tried to make a lame comeback by playing some newer Intel/Linux tunes. But if you looked closely at their videos you could see the group wasn't really singing at all. They had been dubbed. Sun had become a follower of fashion, and was no longer a leader. But can Sun still make a comeback?


possible answers :

Future #2 - Get the Business Consultants in and Make Sun More Profitable

This strategy would cut investment in technology and dispose of business units which were non-core. It's easy to imagine what the hatchet men would do in the case of Sun...

Exit the unprofitable Intel/Linux business. Sell off Java as a medium sized software company. Chop away at the unprofitable entry level SPARC server range. Sack 50% of the VARs and take more business directly in the mid to high end SPARC server market. Stop piddling around making the world's most expensive me-too network storage, and buy all of it in from outside.

That would work fine for about a year, and Sun could get good profits that way on 30% lower revenue and being a $5 Billion company. But what would happen after that? Cutting back on technology would mean that the company could continue being profitable for maybe another two year as the revenue trickled south to $1 Billion. In three years the company would have lost its edge, the SPARC processor line would be regarded as a joke, and the company would have a slow lingering death as a small services organization living off a customer base which was just too lazy to unplug its legacy systems.

Whatever other criticisms you may level against Sun's CEO, Scott McNealy - being parsimonious with development budgets isn't one of them. Fortunately Sun hasn't started down this route yet. But if the top management changes, it could still happen. So watch out.

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Unread postby Satoru » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:28 am

Hakimoto: I got the pics, send me the infos for the upload.
You may need to crop them a bit...

Scott Tarr: the built-in graphics only has 15pin VGA, the additional FX5 has both VGA and DVI. And Stereo.

Marco/Sat


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