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Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:05 pm
by ClassicHasClass
I don't know of a C8000 with Itanic CPUs. Mine has dual PA-8900s.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:01 pm
by Raion-Fox
There is no C8000 with IA-64, and my C8000 runs HP-UX. I don't know what to do if you want to run gnat on HP-UX or Linux-HPPA. You're on your own there. FreeBSD on x64 runs gcc-aux fine.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:42 pm
by Y888099
Overview
The c8000 is the latest and probably last PA-RISC HP workstation. It is driven by one or two dual-core PA-8800 Mako processors, later offered with PA-8900 CPUs and features an impressive array of system and I/O options. The center of the system is the HP zx1 chipset, which also supports Itanium processors. The system is built in a sleek, silent tower casing and also available as a rack-mount option.

( OpenPa )

It's the HP zx1 chipset. Probably misunderstood.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:13 am
by Y888099
Reasons to buy a C8K
  • big iron UNIX box, silent tower casing
  • cheap price

but, there is no software for HPUX, and no gnat-compiler (as consequence no ghdl) for linux-hppa2.
This is a very bad news for me.

So I just wonder: Qemu-x86? Performance? Will it slow down both the PA-RISC CPUs to simulate a slower x86-linux machine?

How can we define the emulated machine? Brilliant, decent/acceptable, it's not worth it?

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:03 am
by jpstewart
Y888099 wrote:It's the HP zx1 chipset. Probably misunderstood.

The zx2000 workstation might be of interest to you. That's got the zx1 chipset with Itanium CPUs in a chassis very similar (or identical?) to the C8000. It's as close to "C8000 with Itanium" as you can get.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:18 am
by kev009
There is usually some tradeoff of "native" packages, which at best use some uber native compiler, some subset of native linkage (which may be good or bad) or at least are packaged up using the "most native" packaging format. Then there is pkgsrc. If you really care about running all the things on random OSes, pkgsrc is where it's at.

I do wish there was effort toward a common abandonware tracker for UNIX software. There was cool weird crap out there, but it's not exactly prevalent to the modern hobbyist. SGIs are among the best in this regard because presumably there is a small remainder of value to the studio/3D stuff so people keep it in circulation and on the second hand market.

The best resource for AIX freeware is http://www.perzl.org/aix/#availpkgs

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:25 am
by Y888099
Hardware virtualization with QEMU-x86 under the linux-HPPA's hood?
Any experience on linux-HPPA ? Is it worth it?

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:29 am
by Alver
Just a late reply - no, there isn't such a thing as an Itanium C8000, but indeed, a zx2000 is pretty much the same (and it uses the exact same case indeed). Better off getting a zx6000 though, dual CPU. Correct, there isn't much software for HP-UX available. No, it's not hard to compile stuff for it (at all. I've built a fuckton of things, including full graphical desktops and whatnot). Gcc for UX-HPPA is pretty damn good, and the OS itself isn't that exotic that overly difficult tricks are needed. Check pkgsrc, I've had good results with that.

Linux on hppa is dead, and the corpse started smelling long ago. No need to bother with it. Qemu on linux-hppa... that'd be the equivalent of necrophilia, then.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:13 am
by Y888099
Can you compile KiCAD for HPUX v11?
It requires OpenGL v2.1.

Qemu on linux-hppa


Dude, there is no GNAT-HPPA.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:37 pm
by mazzinia
Actually this http://hpux.connect.org.uk was ruined once a new guy took over handling it.
First he changed the interface.. so while before was possible to have a list ordered by date, after was no more an option (and complains ended on deaf ears).

And now if you check the news , you'll see they ( he I guess ) consider no more cool to compile also 11.11 and 11.23 packages since 2014... so for platforms using those 2 versions, the packages are frozen at best at such date.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:07 pm
by thunderbird32
kev009 wrote:The best resource for AIX freeware is http://www.perzl.org/aix/#availpkgs


Sadly I'm stuck with 4.3.3 at the moment, so my only option is Bull's freeware site.

mazzinia wrote:Actually this http://hpux.connect.org.uk was ruined once a new guy took over handling it.
First he changed the interface.. so while before was possible to have a list ordered by date, after was no more an option (and complains ended on deaf ears).

And now if you check the news , you'll see they ( he I guess ) consider no more cool to compile also 11.11 and 11.23 packages since 2014... so for platforms using those 2 versions, the packages are frozen at best at such date.


I've noticed this. Makes me real sad, as I just purchased my C3700. :(

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:39 pm
by foetz
well it's still by far the best maintained freeware. dropping old systems' support after some years can have a number of reasons but usually is a normal development.
for them this is serious and not a service for retro fans.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:09 pm
by commodorejohn
It's one thing to drop support as far as updates go, but actually removing access to older builds for older systems is just obscene, especially since it's blocked from being mirrored on archive.org.

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:29 pm
by thunderbird32
Wait, how can they block it? Isn't everything on that site just binary builds of opensource software?

Re: Putting the C8000 to good use?

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:21 pm
by commodorejohn
Yeah, but archive.org's crawlers respect robots.txt, so the packages never got archived.