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New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby jjacocks » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:59 pm

So, I picked up another old workstation, this time an HP 9000/375. I did a basic clean-up and test, and it does seem to work. With a reversed VGA-to-5BNC cable, I can see the diags run on the monitor. It has 8mb of RAM.

So, questions, if anyone here has any knowledge about these beasts.

1) I have the HIL-PS/2 adapter (HP calls is the "keyboard adapter module"), but it doesn't plug in to the HIL port on the machine. There is a descending piece of plastic on the right side of the 10P10C connector that blocks it. I know that this adapter was made for the 9000/700 PA-RISC workstations, will it work with the 375, if I remove that tab?

2) What kind of memory do these machines take? I find reference to a 32mb kit (of 2 16mb modules) via HP part number 98229E. The specs say that this machine will take 128mb. So, should I just try to track down 4 kits?

Any other advice would be welcome. This is my first 68k workstation, and I'm hoping to have more, in the future.

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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby miod » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:37 pm

jjacocks wrote:So, I picked up another old workstation, this time an HP 9000/375.

Lucky man!

jjacocks wrote:1) I have the HIL-PS/2 adapter (HP calls is the "keyboard adapter module"), but it doesn't plug in to the HIL port on the machine. There is a descending piece of plastic on the right side of the 10P10C connector that blocks it. I know that this adapter was made for the 9000/700 PA-RISC workstations, will it work with the 375, if I remove that tab?

I don't know for sure, but I am not aware of anyone using this adapter module on 68k workstations. I would not expect it to work if I were you.

jjacocks wrote:2) What kind of memory do these machines take? I find reference to a 32mb kit (of 2 16mb modules) via HP part number 98229E. The specs say that this machine will take 128mb. So, should I just try to track down 4 kits?

The CPU board should have 8 slots, with memory sticks set in pairs. It will accept any pair of 2MB, 4MB, 8MB or 16MB modules of the A-3004-xxx series.
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby jjacocks » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:25 pm

Thanks for getting back to me, so fast!

So, based on your note, I guess that HIL on the 300 series is not the same as that on the 500 or 700 series, even though it has the same name? Is there an alternate HIL-to-PS/2 adapter available? Proprietary keyboards are one of the peripherals that I try not to have, unless there is no choice.

I take it that the memory is proprietary to the 9000/300 series?

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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby miod » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:43 pm

jjacocks wrote:So, based on your note, I guess that HIL on the 300 series is not the same as that on the 500 or 700 series, even though it has the same name?

It theoretically is, though. Regular HIL devices (keyboards, mice, button boxes, digitizers) work as well on 300 as on 700. But HIL converters (quadrature or PS/2) are another story.

jjacocks wrote:Is there an alternate HIL-to-PS/2 adapter available?

I'm not aware of any.

jjacocks wrote:I take it that the memory is proprietary to the 9000/300 series?

Yes, it is. (Nitpickers will tell you they work on 9000/4xx models but these are 300 compatible)
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:02 pm

A very nice machine. I have a 9000/350 myself.
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby jjacocks » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:07 pm

I'm glad to hear that there are folks here that like these machines. They seem to not have gotten nearly as much press as some other 80s workstations. I worked at a large lab, in the early 90s, and these guys were hooked up to instruments all over the place. They always seemed really cool, to me, because the stacks that 300s end up in look like no other workstation setups.

Any advice as to a good source of memory? I've been looking, and it seems that the usual SEO/part agregator companies are all that I have found. 8mb definitely doesn't seem like enough, and I'd love to max the machine out at 128mb.

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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:08 pm

Memory is hard to find for those units. I've learned to be satisfied with 16MB (which is still a lot for HP-UX of that generation).

What I'd like to find is an HP-IB CD-ROM. I know they're out there.
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby jjacocks » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:54 pm

What version of HP-UX do you run? I know that 9.1 will run, but I'm not sure if that's the best version.

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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby kjaer » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:13 pm

The "keyboard adapter module" does NOT adapt HIL to PS/2. It provides HIL and PS/2 interfaces for certain models of 715 and 725 workstation. It serves no other purpose. HP did not sell any box which allows a machine with only a HIL interface to use a PS/2 keyboard or mouse.
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby jjacocks » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:42 pm

Ah, thanks for the explanation, kjaer.

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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:23 am

It's 8.0. It seems very happy with that. Some pr0n of Homer (it even came with a Homer Simpson squeeze doll):

http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1572 (full enclosure)
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1573 ("hinv")
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1574 (old school X11)
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1575 ("dmesg" from HP-UX)
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby hamei » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:35 pm

jjacocks wrote: Proprietary keyboards are one of the peripherals that I try not to have, unless there is no choice.

I loved my HP-HIL keyboard. It was the only one I've ever seen with the F keys down the left side of the keyboard, where you could actually use them.

And the HIL trackball was the best ever. Great big huge ball, smooth action, excellent control, very comfortable.

If someone made a USB-to-HIL adapter I'd grab one in a flash and go with the HP input hardware.

HP made good stuff back then. Thanks so much, Carly you loser.

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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby mia » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:59 pm

very nice!
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby smj » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:59 am

I have a late 300 series in the back, takes the same RAM you referenced but has either an '030 or possibly an '040 - thought I'd determined it was a /375 but can't be sure. Anyway not easy to find that RAM, and when it did show up it was more money than I cared to spend. I found a nice NOS HIL keyboard on eBay, a two button HIL mouse at WeirdStuff in Sunnyvale, and a 3 button mouse on eBay.

I'm more interested in running 4.4BSD or NetBSD, but haven't gotten around to putting an image on a disk yet. I did manage to abuse a VGA HD15 <-> 5-BNC cable to get video to a Dell 2001FP. This use of the cable may have required a gender bender, but worked well enough for the PROM monitor to display the POST output and provide a prompt.
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Re: New-to-Me HP 9000/375

Unread postby jwp » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:00 pm

ClassicHasClass wrote:It's 8.0. It seems very happy with that. Some pr0n of Homer (it even came with a Homer Simpson squeeze doll):

http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1572 (full enclosure)
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1573 ("hinv")
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1574 (old school X11)
http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1575 ("dmesg" from HP-UX)

Very cool X11 setup! I like that color scheme -- I assume it is the default? Would you mind posting the X resources for mwm, or maybe a screenshot from the machine itself (if that is possible)?
Debian GNU/Linux on a ThinkPad, running a simple setup with FVWM.


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