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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby dclough » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Winnili wrote:Also, what's wrong with the Hobbyist Program? I get my PAKs within 24 hours typically, even during weekends. (Especially since it was in-sourced by HP.)

I second that, I joined DECUSERV and immediately applied for hobbyist IA64 and Alpha licenses and had an email within an hour. Asked for download kits at 11PM Friday and had the instructional email and links by 7AM Saturday. Very speedy!

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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby mia » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:58 pm

This is really cool, I have to admit.
HP/Dec/Compaq didn't have to do that, or even renew this program after so many years, but I'm glad they did.
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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby SAQ » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:19 pm

Back when the hobbyist program was being run by volunteers it could sometimes take a day for the Encompass data to propagate, and a couple of weeks for the disks to be sent out. All things considered that really wasn't too bad, but now it's even faster.
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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby mia » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:33 pm

How much is the subscrition these days?
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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby dclough » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:34 pm

mia wrote:How much is the subscrition these days?

$0

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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby urbancamo » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:34 pm

The VAXstation 4000/VLC is a lovely small box but as mentioned is a bit underpowered. It does make a really fantastic x-terminal however, and in my case I have it setup to run as a diskless remote satellite in a VMS cluster, so it is very quiet too (although the small 2" fans are a little higher pitched than standard PC cooling fans). You can plug in an LK201 or LK401 and not suffer from keyboard mapping issues. I think it would be a little limiting as a standalone system, the maximum memory is 24MB and you would almost certainly need an external SCSI CDROM drive for it to be of any use.

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Another nice system is the AlphaServer 300 series, seen pictured below. The processor is a 266 Mhz EV5, with 256 MB of RAM. Fairly compact desktop enclosure - initially I thought this system would be a bit cheap and cheerful, but when it arrived I was surprised to find that it still shows a good deal of DEC's legendary design and quality.

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Finally, below, is an image with Multias on the left, VAXstation 4000/VLCs in the middle and a VAX 2000 on the right.

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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby PymbleSoftware » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:58 am

SAQ wrote:Back when the hobbyist program was being run by volunteers it could sometimes take a day for the Encompass data to propagate, and a couple of weeks for the disks to be sent out. All things considered that really wasn't too bad, but now it's even faster.



I had an issue with the Hobbyist program being run by beyond amateurs in Australia, they were complete clowns losing any applications to the program and the like and then there was problems with my using different email addresses for different things from DECUS things a decade or two back, and finally I told them to stick it after the way I was treated. When back to running Tru64... nowadays I am far too busy to even do Haiku or IRIX stuff..

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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby Winnili » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:47 am


Cheating? I'm not sure about that. But, if you don't mind to emulate and want to run V7.3 at most (which has been pointed out various times already, in this thread alone) ― whilst also lacking a graphics head and not being able to take advantage of very nice VMS features such as shared storage ― then it might be a solution... I guess.
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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby SAQ » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:26 pm

Graphics heads are pretty pointless on VMS. There's not much graphical out there (though the Hobbyist PAKs do include DECwrite), and it's pretty much simple stuff that can go over the network no problem.

That hasn't stopped me from putting graphics heads on many of my machines, but I don't sweat it if I have a DEC box that I don't have a graphics card, keyboard or mouse for.

Instead of doing the Rasberry approach you can just have several instances of simh running on a virtual network. Same effect, probably cheaper.

If I had enough money and I was looking for potential commercial applications I'd go I64. The manager/admin's interface with OpenVMS is very similar for any modernish variant, but the hardware is different and, as Winnili points out, there are some neat tweaks on the newer systems.

If you do run an older version, especially on a VAX, make sure you get TCPWare or MultiNet. The UCX on the hobbyist distro is (or was - has HP updated it?) very old and buggy, as well as taking a huge chunk of computing resources. I ran the one that came with Hobbyist V2 on a 4000/200 for a brief period, and the machine became essentially useless when the network was in use because of the system load.
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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby dclough » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:22 am

SAQ wrote:If I had enough money and I was looking for potential commercial applications I'd go I64.

My desire for an HP-UX box is still unquenched, and the more I read and look around, the more I want to go the IA64 route for the added benefits of a more modern system, newer software support, and the ability to run HP-UX and OpenVMS on the same box (and as a result, a smaller overall footprint).

Now the next big step is to find an affordable Integrity somewhere!

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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby edikat » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:55 am

Now my first VAX back in student accommodation at University back in 1995 was a MicroVAX 2000, uVAXII and a VS 3100/38.

Even then they were obsolete and the University CAD/CAM lab donated them to me.. I must have been the only guy in the UK with a VAX cluster in his dorm room....didn't impress the ladies so much but those were the days when being a geek was totally uncool....

I also didn't really recommend the 2000


I wouldn't have recommended it even back in 1995 as even then the MFM RD53's were hard to get and RD54's impossible. Nowadays you are looking at $500-1000 for an RD54.. they are getting rarer.
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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby SAQ » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:38 am

edikat wrote:Now my first VAX back in student accommodation at University back in 1995 was a MicroVAX 2000, uVAXII and a VS 3100/38.

Even then they were obsolete and the University CAD/CAM lab donated them to me.. I must have been the only guy in the UK with a VAX cluster in his dorm room....didn't impress the ladies so much but those were the days when being a geek was totally uncool....

I also didn't really recommend the 2000


I wouldn't have recommended it even back in 1995 as even then the MFM RD53's were hard to get and RD54's impossible. Nowadays you are looking at $500-1000 for an RD54.. they are getting rarer.


Yep, if you want to go VAX go with a VS4000 or related-era MicroVAX. Small, common-storage-bus, no 1.05GB limit for VMS, reasonably efficient - but still kind of slow.
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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby smj » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:40 pm

edikat wrote:I must have been the only guy in the UK with a VAX cluster in his dorm room....didn't impress the ladies so much but those were the days when being a geek was totally uncool....

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Re: Smallest HPUX/OpenVMS System Ever?

Unread postby doalwa » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:55 pm

I'd put another vote in for the PWS00au.

I own one...got mine for pretty cheap, i.e. free, a few years ago from one of our clients who wanted to basically throw the machine away...I've been running Tru64 and OpenVMS 7.3 and 8.1 on it. Great machine, very powerful for it's time and you can put a wide variety of operating systems on it.
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