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Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:10 am 
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It's nice and quiet, so I have it out as my living room's UNIX workstation. I tried doing development work on it, but my understanding of HP-UX's libc and the HP compiler are still limited, and I can't get some of my code to compile correctly. It also pulls a lot of power and I've already got to worry about keeping the electric bill down though, so I'm afraid it doesn't see as much use as I'd like.

I'd love to use it more, but I've really got to put the time into figuring out how to build my standard UNIX software stack. Being somewhat of a purist, I'd also like to get the original keyboard/mouse with which the C8000 shipped, but I'm having a very difficult time tracking down any information on them aside from their HP model numbers (which are wholly absent on eBay).

Does anyone know anything about these input devices? I'd like to think that the C8000 shipped with a UNIX-style keyboard, but hell if I can find ANY such keyboards sold by anyone other than Sun (or the Happy Hacking Keyboard).

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:17 am 
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Hi all...
I'm new in this forum, so... first of all sorry for my english! :-))
I have 3 pa-risc C8000 boxes with HP-UX MCOE 11.11 standard install and i've some problems:
- with fireGL X3. i need core graphics cd for this card but don't find it over the net.
- dont't find any place were download parches (not from hp itrc)

i've read that a member of this forum, gkl, downloaded "26 gigs of patches "just in case"... well... this is the case :-)
can you tell me were to downoaded this lot of pathes?

last: i try to install debian lenny 5.0.5/6 but displayed out the famous message "boot console ttyB0 - real tty0" but over serial don't dispayed anythung. (someone says to install serial card in pci slot, seems integrated serial do not reconized from linux kernel)

The boxes are:
2xPA8900 1.1 MHZ 64 mb L3 shared (quad core) FireGL X3 256mb 73 Gb scsi HP HDD and 12 GB of ram

1xPA8900 1.0 MHZ 64 mb L3 shared (dual core) FireGL X3 256mb 73 Gb scsi HP HDD and 4 GB of ram

1xPA8800 900 MHZ 32 mb L3 shared (dual core) FireGL T1 128mb 80 Gb IDE HDD and 2 GB of ram

every box runs fine hp-ux 11i v1 with gnome desktop environment

Thanks all for help... if possibile...


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Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:26 pm 
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You need the HP-UX 11.11 Graphics Technical Computing Environment, which can be dowloaded for free from here:

https://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdep ... er=B6268AA

As for HP-UX patches, unless you know or have access to anyone with a support contract, you're pretty much out of luck. Are you also sure you're using the correct parameters for the serial port of the computer acting as a console?

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Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:34 pm 
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gkl wrote:
It's nice and quiet, so I have it out as my living room's UNIX workstation. I tried doing development work on it, but my understanding of HP-UX's libc and the HP compiler are still limited, and I can't get some of my code to compile correctly. It also pulls a lot of power and I've already got to worry about keeping the electric bill down though, so I'm afraid it doesn't see as much use as I'd like.


A few things about developing on HP-UX, you need to have the latest patches esp. for the linker and the c-library or trying to compile/port anything moderately modern will fail miserably. Esp. if you want to use a relatively recent version of GCC.

Also, in HP-UX stdarg.h has to be included before stdio.h, it took me ages to figure that one out. But it makes a lot of difference with gnuish code. It is 40 years after, and we're still living with some of the half assed issues induced by C (and later C++).

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Does anyone know anything about these input devices? I'd like to think that the C8000 shipped with a UNIX-style keyboard, but hell if I can find ANY such keyboards sold by anyone other than Sun (or the Happy Hacking Keyboard).


I assume by "Unix" keyboard, you mean one that the control and caps lock keys swapped, right? In that case, xmodmap is your friend. Shouldn't be too hard to get it working that on HP-UX. However the machine is rather picky about which USB keyboards it likes...

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Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:21 pm 
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I'm the proud owner of a used, but great condition HP c8000.

Specs:
- Dual Core 1.1Ghz PA-8900
- 6GB RAM
- 2x73GB 10k SCSI HDD
- FireGL X3 256mb graphics card
- DVD-Writer

a few Q:
- it doesn't seem to have an audio card, do I need to buy one? Will only the official HP one work or are there cheaper alternatives?
- it didn't came with a pedestal stand, but already seems stable without one. I'm guessing I won't need to buy one. Is that correct?

Will try to load the operating system this weekend :)

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Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:48 pm 
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Congrats! I am quite jealous of your PA-8900; those things always price way out of my budget.
thunng8 wrote:
a few Q:
- it doesn't seem to have an audio card, do I need to buy one? Will only the official HP one work or are there cheaper alternatives?
- it didn't came with a pedestal stand, but already seems stable without one. I'm guessing I won't need to buy one. Is that correct?

It seems like very few C8000s shipped with audio, and I've never heard of anyone using an audio card in it aside from the one HP shipped. This thread was of some help in trying to figure out the OEM, but as far as I can tell, the C8000 audio card was never sold as anything else. There are a few Philips-branded cards that look very similar that are relatively cheap when they pop up on eBay, but they use different audio chips and I have no idea if the HP-UX drivers will recognize them.

As far as the pedestal is concerned, I'm pretty sure it's purely cosmetic. It does make the machine less tippy and more sexy, but it doesn't help cooling or anything else out.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:05 am 
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thunng8 wrote:
I'm the proud owner of a used, but great condition HP c8000.

Specs:
- Dual Core 1.1Ghz PA-8900
- 6GB RAM
- 2x73GB 10k SCSI HDD
- FireGL X3 256mb graphics card
- DVD-Writer

a few Q:
- it doesn't seem to have an audio card, do I need to buy one? Will only the official HP one work or are there cheaper alternatives?
- it didn't came with a pedestal stand, but already seems stable without one. I'm guessing I won't need to buy one. Is that correct?

Will try to load the operating system this weekend :)


Nice machine!

My two C8000s have audio cards. There are two versions of this card - one that has 'stereo out' (part number AB620A) , and one that has 'headphone out' (part number AB620-60503). Stereo out means you still need to feed it to an amplifier to get anything out of it... guess which of the two I have :roll: but regardless, sound on UX is not that important. The UX tools for audio are terrible, and afaik SDL is the only open source sound library that is supposed to work.

The pedestal is optional - it's just a plastic foot you click on to the tower. It does look pretty though. :)

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Unread postPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:24 am 
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R-ten-K wrote:
I assume by "Unix" keyboard, you mean one that the control and caps lock keys swapped, right?

No, the "Unix" layout typically refers to placement of the Control key in it's correct and natural position, somewhere to the left of the A key, where God and Nature intended it to be.

It was only around the introduction of the PC/AT that the ergonomic nightmare of moving it to the bottom row of the keyboard was introduced. Suddenly the incidence of debilitating carpal tunnel problems shot skyward, and people started to believe taking thrice as long "mousing" was preferable to using keyboard accelerators or shortcuts. It's amazing how things that a few seconds using character mode Word Perfect started taking minutes when people found it physically painful to use their damned keyboards...

Anyway my apologies for not clearing this up back in July. I must have been suffering from a critical insufficiency of strong drink at the time.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:07 am 
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thunng8, gkl:
gkl wrote:
This thread was of some help in trying to figure out the OEM, but as far as I can tell, the C8000 audio card was never sold as anything else.

Info update :P Hope that will help you and other seekers of audio-option for C8000.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:30 am 
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New guy here so be gentle ;)

In regards to the sound board chip it's a "cm18738" (at least the board I'm looking at) if that helps anybody out.


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Unread postPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:24 pm 
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Biznass wrote:
In regards to the sound board chip it's a "cm18738" (at least the board I'm looking at) if that helps anybody out.

Yes, you're right, the CMI8738 chip is used on original AB620-60503(a) sound card option for C8000. On chip you'll see the following notes:
Code:
Sonic Engine
icmi8738/pci-6ch-mx
(the card itself is not multi-channel btw).
But it doesn't absolutely mean that any CMI8738 sound card will work there (but it maybe supported by OSS/HPUX, as many other options, like Audigy or SB Live). The only proved option with this chip is a AB620-60503(x) (philips 1602 rev X), but it's usually hard to find and they are sell at high price, as bonus you'll have connectors for speaker and front-panel phones out. I personally still suggest Genius-Kye Sound Maker Live 5.1 (more info is provided at the link in my previous post), at least in my country i got one for sum equals to $4 USD and got it promptly :P Sound Maker option should also work on HP-UX/IA64 target, but i have only one positive report about it, and lazy to check it by myself :oops: (i.e. i don't want to move this card from my C8000 to my rx2600 and install HP-UX on rx2600, which i don't have there, maybe later, when i'll get another one card).

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Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:43 am 
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Hello, just got my first c8000 (has 256 MB graphics card with dual DVI). Could anybody please suggest how I can get a copy of HP-UX 11.1. I do have the disks for 11.0. Would this earlier version work on the c8000? I am mostly interested in running a copy of FrameMaker 6.0 that I have for UNIX. Still running version 5.5 on my Octane2.

Thanks in advance for any help

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Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:42 am 
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No, you need HPUX 11i v1 (11.11).
See http://www.openpa.net/hp-ux_unix.html#hpux11iv1
11.0 doesn't support PA8800/8900 processors.

The license is transferrable with the hardware, so you should be able to buy a used media set.

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