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PymbleSoftware
 Post subject: Alpha Emulator..
Unread postPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:59 pm 
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I guess some of you know about it..

But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC...

ftp://tao:er65tza4@ftp.stromasys.com/Pe ... 2.0.17.zip

Free for personal/hobbyist use..

I don't think that I've seen it mentioned here before.

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:01 am 
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But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC...


oh the ultimate in abominations...

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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skywriter wrote:
PymbleSoftware wrote:
But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC...

oh the ultimate in abominations...

Maybe we could get them to port it to Linux ?
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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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hamei wrote:
skywriter wrote:
PymbleSoftware wrote:
But if you want to run OpenVMS or Tru64 in a WIndows PC...

oh the ultimate in abominations...

Maybe we could get them to port it to Linux ?


ok THAT was the ultimate in abominations :(

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PymbleSoftware
 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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Well.... If I could find a drive sled for my DS-20e...

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16722841

.... I wouldn't be as interested.. There are a limited number of Alphas in the world..
One day emulation will be the only way once everything wears out.. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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that's nice. gonna give it a try especially because i've never been able to get vms on my real alpha :D

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that's nice. gonna give it a try especially because i've never been able to get vms on my real alpha :D


we vax fans also consider vms on alpha as an abomination.

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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skywriter wrote:
foetz wrote:
that's nice. gonna give it a try especially because i've never been able to get vms on my real alpha :D


we vax fans also consider vms on alpha as an abomination.


hehe, yeah, never liked it really but i'm still curious. got an old oracle book with quite a lot of vms examples and it's one of a few operating systems i never tried.

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Does Windows NT run on it? Is that the worst?

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an alpha emu for windows to run windows?
anyway i'm sure it's the worst :D

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foetz wrote:
an alpha emu for windows to run windows?
anyway i'm sure it's the worst :D


no, worse than that would be running intel binaries under emulation (and profile/rewrite as Alpha machine code on the fly) on an emulated Alpha.

In the 1990s I did Visual C++ on Alpha and that was painful, running Intel binaries on the Alpha was worse because it would profile your code and rewrite sections of it as Alpha machine code, so your programs were supposed to get faster the more you ran them... but it seemed horribly slow... a pentium 90 was kicking the 200 or 300 MHz Alpha's butt under WindowsNT

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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PymbleSoftware wrote:
[...running Intel binaries on the Alpha was worse because it would profile your code and rewrite sections of it as Alpha machine code, so your programs were supposed to get faster the more you ran them...

FX!32 :D


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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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hamei wrote:
PymbleSoftware wrote:
[...running Intel binaries on the Alpha was worse because it would profile your code and rewrite sections of it as Alpha machine code, so your programs were supposed to get faster the more you ran them...

FX!32 :D

Yep thats the one.

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 Post subject: Re: Alpha Emulator..
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hamei wrote:
FX!32 :D


oh yes, used that once, too :twisted:

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At least NT on alpha had some native software, unlike on PPC or MIPS.

Too bad native software for AlphaNT is pretty hard to find nowdays. I remember having versions of Word and Excel, there was also a very fast port of Seamonkey and also a port of Quake2. I should still have most of the stuff I had backed up to a DLT-tape somewhere.

NT on alpha is the fastest version of Windows I have used, and FX32! was actually not that bad.
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