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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby SAQ » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:32 pm

eMGee wrote:I recently updated my web-site over at ‘Deathrow,’ I also made this customized OpenVMS ‘swoosh’ (30th anniversary) logo featuring Vernon the VMS shark (the DEC equivalent of the cube logo, I guess). I don't think too many have seen it yet, I thought I might as well post it here also.


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The return of the shark!. You "eclipsed" VAX, which might cause some grumbling amongst a certain set of DEC devotees who would much rather see Integrity blotted out :) .
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby SAQ » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:38 am

eMGee wrote:There was no other way, unless I shrunk Vernon so much that he'd barely be noticeable. (By the way, what's wrong with the Integrity line? They're great quality systems, I for one love my rx2600!)


Other than the fact that I don't have one yet? Technically little, but they are the first truly commodity boxes where VMS didn't enter into the design process at all (really they were HP9000 replacements). Granted, it probably made for a "stronger" VMS (in that it can now be pretty easily ported anywhere), but the synergy of the Alpha/VAX platforms and VMS was slick and led to some neat hardware/firmware innovations. True, they're now in software and thus more portable, but I do have a soft spot for solutions other than "throw more processing power and software at it", both electronic and mechanical.

Also, Integrity is not not DEC. On the other hand that means that they don't quite have the DEC ego either.
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby skywriter » Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:51 am

that is the ugliest damn logo i ever saw. poor DEC what happened to you...
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby guardian452 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:49 pm

ALL the big guys have cute animals as mascots now, come on!
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby SAQ » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:12 am

skywriter wrote:that is the ugliest damn logo i ever saw. poor DEC what happened to you...


The spiral thing doesn't make much sense, but HP seems to like it. I guess it's supposed to show the continuity of the OpenVMS Experience or something similar. It's hard to read, doesn't give much of a temporal feeling (the VAX section is too short for reality or aesthetics), and the turns are convoluted.

Vernon is cool in a "rogue" way, for the reasons given. I think he was generally only "semi-official" and early to mid '90s birthdate, so the age and the fact that the full weight of the marketing department wasn't behind him explains a bit of the FOSS logo look.
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby skywriter » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:10 am

SAQ wrote:I think he was generally only "semi-official" and early to mid '90s birthdate, so the age and the fact that the full weight of the marketing department wasn't behind him explains a bit of the FOSS logo look.


having been in the middle of it up until '96, my observation at the time was it was going downhill, the economy was cutting into DEC quite hard, and we were divided by 36 bit, and 32 bit loyalties. making the jump from one family to the other was difficult for everyone. toward the end the trajectory of development was pretty obvious; crank out a VAX on a chip for cost, and build a super-VAX to compete IBM"s 3080 and 3090 Mainframes. i jumped ship to work on 3rd party plug compatibles for both companies as well as HP, Apollo, Prime, and Wang to name a few. from that perspective the love of DEC, TOPS-20, and VMS was just that; love. there really was nothing intrinsically awesome about any of them from the inside. once you reverse engineered their products it was really all the same stuff inside. the only thing that stuck out was that DEC products were easier to reverse engineer. whether that was because i was most familiar with DEC, or that the engineering principles were much more obvious than other companies *shrug*. i love them none the less now, but from the perspective that it's just my personal bias at work. which certainly must apply to everyone one else as well judging from 30+ year of experience in R&D.

the best logo is the simple one. this thing isn't a logo, it's a mess a beginner would come up with.
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby dukzcry » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:08 am

that is the ugliest damn logo i ever saw. poor DEC what happened to you...
the best logo is the simple one. this thing isn't a logo, it's a mess a beginner would come up with.

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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby guardian452 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:56 pm

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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby uridium » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:12 pm

I reackon they should've returned to "Albert" the Cheshire cat from the early VMS days. :) That warms my heart.

Did RSX-11/RSTS-E have a mascot?
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby SAQ » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:41 pm

I think I heard rumors of a bulldog for one of the PDP OSes. Perhaps in reaction to Albert.

Anyone know of somewhere online where they have the logos in bigger files than the openvmshobbyist.org does?
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby uridium » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:44 pm

Ha! you're right. RSTS .. hurrah google. The bulldog was the key.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSTS/E
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby duck » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:20 am

Interesting console... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rsts_V10.1.png (this picture was at the top of the above mentioned wikipedia article at the time of my looking)
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby SAQ » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:15 am

If that's their console then it isn't "interesting" so much as a good exhibition of many of the things that are wrong with UI design now.
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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby uridium » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:31 pm

Hi Sir Duck!

Yeah.. what is the deal with that console? Guessing it's just a wallpaper in the background and some punter's project looking glass desktop? ..or am I completely wrong?

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Re: VMS ‘swoosh’ logo with Vernon

Unread postby duck » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:55 pm

uridium wrote:Hi Sir Duck!

Yeah.. what is the deal with that console? Guessing it's just a wallpaper in the background and some punter's project looking glass desktop? ..or am I completely wrong?

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