Interview with HP CEO Meg Whitman.http://allthingsd.com/20120605/hewlett- ... ot-to-say/
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/feat ... 623014.pdf
The reason we went to the mat with Oracle on this was because we have a lot of customers on Oracle Itanium who do not want to switch, do not want to get off of HP Unix and on to something else. And they kinda like what they have and they'd like to stick with it. I think either way, Dave's got in the works the next generation of Business Critical Servers on a more open platform. It's called Odyssey, which is pretty cool. Ultimately we’ve got to build Unix on a Xeon chip, and so we will do that.
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Okay, I kind of work for HP, and there was a massive facepalm when reading this very misleading article with wrong conclusions.
Just to set things straight...
There will be no
HPUX on x86. Never. Ever.
The port was started in the labs many years back, and it got up to a state where you could actually boot it. But it was killed, and for a few good reasons:
- Customers don't trust x86. Really, they don't. x86 is nice as an entry-level commodity platform, but that's it. Yes, Xeon has been incorporating many of the resilience features of Itanium by now, but there still are a lot of them that simply don't exist on x86. And it's not only the CPU, it's also the machine itself - chipsets, IO, you name it.
- x86 can't handle the load anyway. It only scales up to four sockets, and even then. Cache snooping is bad.
- It would cost many millions of dollars to make the port production-ready. $100 million, according to the estimates. And we all know how things go with estimates
- There will be no ISV support anyway.
Why bother spending the above $100 million on an OS that boots, but... there still is no Oracle DB on it? I mean, yes, Oracle killed Itanium support, thereby targeting HPUX. But do you really think Oracle will jump for joy and develop a new port of their DB to a new competing platform? Larry isn't crazy.
So, in short; no, there won't be HPUX on x86. It would be corporate suicide.
The Project Odyssey that Whitman talked about is a project which aims to bring the Integrity line features to x86, as much as possible. Ultimately, we want to have x86 hardware that is as good as the Integrity line in any way, except for the actual CPU chip. And these servers will run Linux
(or Windows. But heh. Yeah. Windows.). Unfortunately, for management, the difference between Linux and UNIX is nil.
I'll bet my left nut that what Whitman wanted to say was "Ultimately, we've got to build a Unix-class system on a Xeon chip"
. Not HPUX. A Linux, but Unix-class for reliability and performance. HPUX will continue to run on Itanium, and contrary to Oracle claims, that chip is pretty damn good and not nearly EOL yet. And if at some point in the future customers do pull the plug on their UXes because of upgrade paths for eg. Oracle, the Odyssey machines should be there to take over. If the interviewers at allthingshd would have bothered to even check the stuff they're writing on, they would have known this, and I wouldn't have to spend my time explaining customers (and nekochan
) that some misinformed dimwit misinterpreted a CEO's somewhat-too-fuzzy talk on a delicate subject.
Sorry to spoil the fun - I would have loved to play with UX on x86, at least as much as anyone here. But it's not going to happen.