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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:08 pm 
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Yep. All the sites leaknoil listed have a financial incentive to stay online and go to bat for their customers if necessary. This site has no such financial rewards - indeed, it simply costs me money each month in power and bandwidth.

As I've said before, I don't mind soaking these basic costs up, but any other hassles above and beyond power/bandwidth tip the scale towards pulling the plug and washing my hands of the whole thing. There is absolutely no financial incentive for me to talk to a lawyer whether they plan on suing me or not, and I'm certainly no Robin Hood.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:21 pm 
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nekonoko wrote:
Yep. All the sites leaknoil listed have a financial incentive to stay online and go to bat for their customers if necessary. This site has no such financial rewards - indeed, it simply costs me money each month in power and bandwidth.

As I've said before, I don't mind soaking those basic costs up, but any other hassles above and beyond power/bandwidth tip the scale towards pulling the plug and washing my hands of the whole thing. There is absolutely no financial incentive for me to talk to a lawyer whether they plan on suing me or not, and I'm certainly no Robin Hood.


I absolutely agree. The rules are yours to make and if you don't want the hassle who can blame you. I'm just saying that 99.9% of people that threaten to sue on the internet probably wouldn't know how to actually sue if they wanted to. It also costs money to sue and if they lose they get to pay all your court costs and they will lose. Those cases never stand up in court. Next to comparing something to nazi's or hitler "I'm going to sue you" is probably the next most common insult or threat on the internet.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:46 pm 
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leaknoil wrote:
It also costs money to sue and if they lose they get to pay all your court costs and they will lose. Those cases never stand up in court. Next to comparing something to nazi's or hitler "I'm going to sue you" is probably the next most common insult or threat on the internet.

Actually, I really can't see how you could possibly win such a case if it were filed in a jurisdiction such as the UK. And someone regularly making a thousand dollars or more by selling a really old computer has a little more incentive than many others to defend his/her reputation by sending out a warning letter (at the very least).


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
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The XP900's aren't all being sold by the same seller, yet I've sometimes seen these 433/600MHz Alpha models go for 4 figures on eBay. I don't believe CPU speed is the reason some Alphas sell better than others.


It's a number of things. In general, smaller faster systems tend to go for a higher price as people migrate off a platform but need to keep something around for one or two apps. A 1 or 2u system (or a small workstation like the XPsomething) is more enticing than an old DEC 7000.

Also "last systems to support..." are another thing. VME, XMI, ... someone probably has a process control system that interfaces to it (not so sure about Futurebus+), and will want to have spares around. Likewise for a system such as a 250MHz R4400 Indigo2 - COFF binaries anyone?

Third thing are systems qualified to run in certain other systems, such as the MRI controllers or various other things. It costs more to requalify with something else than it does to keep many spares around.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
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Actually, I really can't see how you could possibly win such a case if it were filed in a jurisdiction such as the UK. And someone regularly making a thousand dollars or more by selling a really old computer has a little more incentive than many others to defend his/her reputation by sending out a warning letter (at the very least).


It is actually a lot harder to make defamation stick in the US then in the UK from everything I've read. In the US it is almost impossible to prove libel unless its super crazy made up stuff. You would basically have to make up stuff and resort to nasty personal insults about their family.


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I think libel and defamation mainly only hold up in places where there is still some sort of honour that families or places carry, US has none of that obviously.

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I think libel and defamation mainly only hold up in places where there is still some sort of honour that families or places carry, US has none of that obviously.


so speak for yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:58 am 
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leaknoil wrote:
kramlq wrote:
Actually, I really can't see how you could possibly win such a case if it were filed in a jurisdiction such as the UK. And someone regularly making a thousand dollars or more by selling a really old computer has a little more incentive than many others to defend his/her reputation by sending out a warning letter (at the very least).


It is actually a lot harder to make defamation stick in the US then in the UK from everything I've read. In the US it is almost impossible to prove libel unless its super crazy made up stuff. You would basically have to make up stuff and resort to nasty personal insults about their family.

... exactly, which is why US companies prefer to file cases about stuff posted on the internet in a jurisdiction such as the UK. Anyway, write what you want about who you want. Ignorance is bliss.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
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As far as I know they are used in specialized CAD and printing systems. Check out this link halfway down the page... it's some sort of printing setup powered by an AlphaStation 200:

http://www.murphyauctions.net/printwerkscat.html


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:42 am 
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... change is the one thing established companies are not good at.

at least above the janitorial level.

Yeah, they are happy to change the janitors about as often as they change underwear. But the dumbasses are perfectly happy to build essential business processes around a crappy closed-source Microsoft product.

The janitors are looking smarter every day, Sky :P


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
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The janitors are looking smarter every day, Sky :P


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:50 am 
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skywriter wrote:
D-EJ915 wrote:
I think libel and defamation mainly only hold up in places where there is still some sort of honour that families or places carry, US has none of that obviously.

so speak for yourself.

He has a point, Sky. Or did you guys tar and feather Rush Lamebrain when I wasn't looking ?

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basura in, basura out! i always say!

Oh damn. Now look what you made me do ! Google hurt the feelings of the Chinese people, you know.

Look at the photos ... I could have sworn it was China.

http://www.taringa.net/posts/salud-bien ... rana_.html

Do you understand yet why costs in third world countries are cheaper ? Does it make sense to contribute to this shit ? When are the managers going to figure out that the swill we've been fed for the past thirty years by managers was just some lunatic Viagra-overdose fantasy ?

By the way, why did a search for "garbage" come up with this ? Any idea ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
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hamei wrote:
Look at the photos ... I could have sworn it was China.

http://www.taringa.net/posts/salud-bien ... rana_.html


Awww!!! ...I was just about to begin a great discussion with you because I thought the pictures were from some other place, but after reading the article (by the way, "Taringa" is an argentinean website!) now I learn that the pictures are from Paraná! :shock: ...this is at the other side of the bridge that joins Rosario (the city where I live) with Victoria (city of Entre Rios, where Paraná is located):

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So... all these garbage is at less than 150 KMts. from my home, and I was not awared of that! Thanks, Hamei!, now I feel I little worst! :)

Anyway... I think I'll check it twice... is these shit for real? ...I never thougth we were SO BAD! :? Thankfully our side of the river is a bit better:

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..or at least seems enough good to have lots of foreign ships stealing our waters every month! ;)

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By the way, why did a search for "garbage" come up with this ? Any idea ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/


That movie is one of my films of cult! You got to love the Red Stapler's guy! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
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kramlq wrote:
... exactly, which is why US companies prefer to file cases about stuff posted on the internet in a jurisdiction such as the UK. Anyway, write what you want about who you want. Ignorance is bliss.


So you have any examples of what you're claiming or you just make that completely up ?


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Alphastations go for over $1,000 ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:33 am 
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leaknoil wrote:
kramlq wrote:
... exactly, which is why US companies prefer to file cases about stuff posted on the internet in a jurisdiction such as the UK. Anyway, write what you want about who you want. Ignorance is bliss.


So you have any examples of what you're claiming or you just make that completely up ?

As I said on the previous page, google 'libel tourism' for examples. If you'd done that earlier you might have saved youself from making several more ill-informed posts. But you do what you want. I've made my point several times now and can't be bothered discussing it any more.


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