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Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:40 am
by Irinikus
I have managed to get my hands on a JavaStation, but I will have to gent my hands on at least one more of these systems to be able to get one up and running.

For now, it will just have to act as a nice desk top ornament!

does anyone here have any experience with one of these systems?

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Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:53 pm
by vishnu
Wow, that is a thing of beauty! Where did you find one in such pristine condition? The thing's gotta be darn near 20 years old by now. :shock:

I've never seen one In Real Life but it looks like this information might be accurate:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/JavaStation-HOWTO.html#WhatIsChapter

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:03 pm
by Irinikus
vishnu wrote:Wow, that is a thing of beauty! Where did you find one in such pristine condition? The thing's gotta be darn near 20 years old by now. :shock:

I've never seen one In Real Life but it looks like this information might be accurate:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/JavaStation-HOWTO.html#WhatIsChapter


I bought it on eBay, I had a daily search running on eBay for one of these systems for about a year before one became available!

It’s a really cool little machine. :D

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:57 pm
by halfmanhalftaco
Funny that you post this, I just picked up a Javastation-1 (aka Mr. Coffee) and have been trying to get it working... It's a little different hardware-wise than your Krups but maybe some of my experience will be useful. Mine has the newer 3.x OpenBoot/OFW so it should boot in a similar way to your Krups.

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I replaced the NVRAM, but I couldn't break into OpenBoot to reprogram it so I ended up doing that on a different machine. I later found out that a Manufacturing Test jumper on the board will give you a 6 second window to break into the prompt.

I got NetBSD (6.1.5) booting on it which was not terribly difficult, you just need a DHCP server that can set the "next server", "boot file" and "root path" dhcp options, then a TFTP server with the javastation-specific "bootjs.net" netbsd bootloader on it (the "boot file" param), and then an NFS server (path on the "next server" in the "root path" param) with the NetBSD binary sets extracted and the appropriate kernel - there are specific kernels for Mr Coffee and Krups Javastations included.

The console is kinda messed up looking and I can't get X working, but it does boot!

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Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:11 am
by Irinikus
That’s very cool!
It’s also in very good condition!

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:19 pm
by vishnu
Personally not a big believer in Java as a technology but those are two very cool units! :)

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:24 am
by halfmanhalftaco
vishnu wrote:Personally not a big believer in Java as a technology but those are two very cool units! :)


Luckily (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), it's difficult to actually run Java on these things because the original OS (JavaOS) is difficult/impossible to find. I think JavaOS was basically meant as a thin client though, and not an actual OS. This led into the SunRay line of hardware which is even more locked down - the SunRay 1/1g also have microSPARC-II processors like these javastations but they don't have OpenBoot and from what I'm told are locked to running only signed code. Haven't really seen any workarounds for that hardware. I have a SunRay 1g but it is just a snazzy looking brick.

I believe the SunRay 2 and up had MIPS CPUs in them and I think they have been coerced into running Linux but I'm not sure.

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:08 am
by jan-jaap
vishnu wrote:Personally not a big believer in Java as a technology

Yeah, me too. But that cup of java looks like I might enjoy it :)

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:20 am
by spiroyster
jan-jaap wrote:
vishnu wrote:Personally not a big believer in Java as a technology

Yeah, me too. But that cup of java looks like I might enjoy it :)

idk, it gives a nice performance boost!

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:35 am
by Irinikus
spiroyster wrote:
jan-jaap wrote:
vishnu wrote:Personally not a big believer in Java as a technology

Yeah, me too. But that cup of java looks like I might enjoy it :)

idk, it gives a nice performance boost!


I always say that life doesn’t begin until you’ve had a good cup of coffee in the morning! :D

Re: Would you like some Java with that JavaStation?

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:50 pm
by astouffer
I used to run one of the second gen javastations as a diskless NetBSD client. It booted from a DEC Alpha running NetBSD and remote X worked. I even had Netscape running with the Tru64 compatibility libs.