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Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby Elf » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:19 pm

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... ise-Rumors
Rumors are circulating that Oracle is ending Solaris development at Solaris 11.4 with no major releases to follow. A tip on TheLayoff.com says in part:
Solaris being canned, at least 50% of teams to be RIF'd in short term

All hands meetings being cancelled on orders from legal to prevent news from spreading.

Hardware teams being told to cease development.

There will be no Solaris 12, final release will be 11.4.


Not too surprising I guess...
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby Krokodil » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:35 pm

Can't say I didn't see that coming. But it's still a crying shame. Solaris 8 was the first UNIX I ever touched. Another quality operating system and architecture abandoned for the X86 monoculture.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby Elf » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:06 pm

I wonder which one will be the next to go... AIX or HP-UX? Any others still left?
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby jan-jaap » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:25 am

The rumor seems to originate here: https://www.thelayoff.com/t/KBEVoB1

I thought of posting this yesterday, but at the same time El Reg says Oracle is in denial.

I guess we'll see. I lost all interest in Solaris the moment Oracle got involved.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby commodorejohn » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:27 am

Well, there'll always be the BSDs. But yeah, huzzah, another step in the creeping assimilation of all alternative platforms into the x86/Lunix monoculture.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby Titox » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:33 am

Not a surprise. Oracle closed Solaris for small workshops and companies with its high price rates and now they have found that there are not enough big companies to support Unix. Microsoft -not only linux- is being a big competitor in the big iron and ERP so it seems that old Unixes are going to be dead in a few years.

Bad. I started with Solaris before Irix and I loved all small web servers and workstations but they are building bad specs systems from 10 years ago.
jan-jaap wrote:I lost all interest in Solaris the moment Oracle got involved.

The same here and I think this happened to a lot of people. The decision to close Solaris 10 to fairly new systems (at the moment of the Oracle adquisition) angered enough people, especially since the pre-release could be installed on those computers.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby uunix » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:35 am

Solaris ended with version 10 as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby ClassicHasClass » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:36 am

At least Fujitsu still has SPARC, and there are still SPARC things around.

I don't see AIX going anywhere because Power is still a very viable alternative architecture, but HP-UX might be the next one to drop. It's lost its relevance because HP tied it too tightly to Itanic, the fate of which they were unable to fully control. If PA-RISC were still a thing it might live longer.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby Shiunbird » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:29 am

What about what was remaining of OpenSolaris?
I know Oracle took it back, but I guess once it's out, it is out? Is there any fork?

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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby jan-jaap » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:48 am

ClassicHasClass wrote:At least Fujitsu still has SPARC, and there are still SPARC things around.

Fujitsu seems to be moving from SPARC to ARM.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby johnnym » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:51 am

Shiunbird wrote:What about what was remaining of OpenSolaris?
I know Oracle took it back, but I guess once it's out, it is out? Is there any fork?

There's still OpenSXCE both for x86 and SPARC (sun4u, sun4v).

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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby SAQ » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:42 am

Wouldn't surprise me - Linux is the buzzwords, so it is by definition buzzword compliant. Add on that, while somewhat mediocre and less committed to standards and long-term interoperability than Apple is, it's cheap and you have a "winner" as far as MBAs are concerned.

Yeah, Oracle should have priced it more in line with an equivalent Windows installation. I remember being dumbfounded when my university "replaced" their almost-new Sun Enterprise setup with a Winfarm in the NT4 days (evidently someone from MS gave lunch and licenses to someone high up in admin with little actual tech experience). It was supposed to be "more reliable", but it seemed to break more often and they had to keep up the Suns anyway for the CS department. Since then Windows, while not my favorite, has become functional, and at least at first glance competitive or cheaper than Solaris (though the whole CAL muddle still is a mess, but profitable to MS).

I've never used Sol11, because the licenses are too expensive, but it still has some technical merits.

Be nice if at least ZFS made it out in a easily-used (say BSD) license status, but I'm not counting on it.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby Elf » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:00 pm

SAQ wrote:Be nice if at least ZFS made it out in a easily-used (say BSD) license status, but I'm not counting on it.

FreeBSD currently integrates ZFS quite well, even for the root volume. It gets used in FreeNAS as well as their commercial offering through iX Systems. Much better than the Linux implementation of it.

I think it is licensed under CDDL though.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby Krokodil » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:36 pm

Elf wrote:
SAQ wrote:Be nice if at least ZFS made it out in a easily-used (say BSD) license status, but I'm not counting on it.

FreeBSD currently integrates ZFS quite well, even for the root volume. It gets used in FreeNAS as well as their commercial offering through iX Systems. Much better than the Linux implementation of it.

I think it is licensed under CDDL though.


The one key thing missing from BSD ZFS is the native ZFS encryption. Everyone waited and hoped Oracle would release the updated code, but they never did, despite claiming they would. Although a mysterious, illegal, complete source code dump for Solaris 11 appeared in cyberspace soon after.
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Re: Rumors of Oracle ending Solaris development

Unread postby escimo » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:40 am

Base subscription for 3 years with Sun only € 830 (1 socket).
After Oracle bought Sun the prices had near tripled. Nice pricing policy, isn't?
I would be not surprised if Oracle planning to cancel further development of Solaris.
But then I like to see Larry in a commercial similiar to this for confusing (Open-) and Solaris enterprises and community - LOL

First experiences with Solaris 8 on x86 desktop with Pentium III, FSC D1107-B mainboard, 512 MB SDR-RAM, Matrox Millennium G200 AGP 8MB, SCSI, SoundBlaster 16 ISA. Went all fine.

Back in 2008 I registerd my FSC Primergy TX120S1 after successful completion of Sun Hardware Certification Test Suite for Solaris 10. The server was added to the Sun HCL starting from 5/08. Without support by Sun because the OS didn't support the network chipset in 5/08, not so for OpenSolaris 2008.05.
Looking at the HCL for Solaris 11, there seems to be less systems certfied or maybe nobody wants to certify systems for Oracle. Shame and blessing.
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