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Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:47 pm
by Dr. Dave
smj wrote:
Dr. Dave wrote:The Sound Blaster Audigy (with the firewire port) works fine, though the firewire port is purely cosmetic. The Audigy2 cards have sample-rate issues that render them problematic on a Fuel. Some of the later 'cheaper' Audigy cards don't use the EMU chip though, so best to stick with the original Audigy (or the Audigy ES, same minus the firewire).

That's interesting, because the recommendations I'd read specified the Audigy2 ZS. Does the "ZS" avoid the sample-rate issues you mention?


Nope. I got one to try a while back. Almost impossible to watch a movie without getting sound sync problems. Only the original versions work with no major issues. I think the Audigy2's use an updated EMU processor that is not 100% back compatible at the register level.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:26 pm
by recondas
smj wrote:That's interesting, because the recommendations I'd read specified the Audigy2 ZS. Does the "ZS" avoid the sample-rate issues you mention?
I'm fortunate enough to have an Audigy, DM8/mAudio7.1, and a PCI RADical Audio, and for general everyday use the DM8 would be my first choice - excellent sound quality and it provides analog and digital sound options.

Since you have a DM6, it's probably worth mentioning that while SGI's PCI RADical Audio isn't as practical for general audio I/O <unless you have speakers with digital capabilities>, but its the only one that can be used to sync an audio track to any video captured with the <OpenML based> DM6.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:13 pm
by Dr. Dave
It should be noted that the RAD will drive the coax digital input on a consumer home-theatre receiver, but only for stereo as far as I can tell. These are easy to come by, and should be cheap to do.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:42 pm
by smj
recondas wrote:Since you have a DM6, it's probably worth mentioning that while SGI's PCI RADical Audio isn't as practical for general audio I/O <unless you have speakers with digital capabilities>, but its the only one that can be used to sync an audio track to any video captured with the <OpenML based> DM6.
Thanks for that information - I've got to put all this in the wiki... I've got an Audigy (SB090) and an Adaptec DuoConnect (USB+FW) on order for now. Before they get here I'll see if I can narrow down what's causing that lockup when l1cmd is run, and undo all the captive login crud that takes over the gfx console.

Longer term I'm not sure what I'll do with the DM6. It might be fun to play with, and the repackaged DVS Gmbh installation guide does identify the appropriate IRIX packages. A search on Supportfolio turns up the DMediaPro™ DM6 (SD-DIGVID) Video Subsystem v1.1.2, which says it requires IRIX 6.5.21+ and OpenML 1.1 or later...

Not clear what software might be available to use it, but with docs like OpenML Media Library Software Development Kit Beginner's Guide available from Supportfolio I hope it'd be possible to build something, at least for kicks.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:43 pm
by smj
Dr. Dave wrote:It should be noted that the RAD will drive the coax digital input on a consumer home-theatre receiver, but only for stereo as far as I can tell. These are easy to come by, and should be cheap to do.

Do you mean RAD audio cards are easy to find, or home theater receivers? :P

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:15 pm
by recondas
smj wrote:Before they get here I'll see if I can narrow down what's causing that lockup when l1cmd is run, and undo all the captive login crud that takes over the gfx console.
If you don't see L1 issues when only the L1 <but not Fuel> is powered up, there's at least a small chance a clean install might resolve the L1 issue. BTW, you haven't mentioned trying it, but if you do there have been issues in the past with L1 firmware updates. There are more that are worth looking at but here's a couple of background threads:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16721376&
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16721896&
Since you mentioned getting an 6.5.30 install set with the Fuel, I'll mention that the L2 firmware that shipped with IRIX 6.5.30 was broken - so until proven differently I'd suggest giving the L1 firmware from 6.5.30 a wide berth.

smj wrote:Not clear what software might be available to use it, but with docs like OpenML Media Library Software Development Kit Beginner's Guide available from Supportfolio I hope it'd be possible to build something, at least for kicks.
While it looks like OpenML was intended to ease third-party development of video control/capture applications, it appeared late enough in the IRIX life cycle that not many IRIX-based OpenML apps appeared. Discreet covered OpenML on the DM3 pretty well, but so far I haven't run across a similar DM6-based app.

smj wrote:Longer term I'm not sure what I'll do with the DM6. It might be fun to play with, and the repackaged DVS Gmbh installation guide does identify the appropriate IRIX packages. A search on Supportfolio turns up the DMediaPro™ DM6 (SD-DIGVID) Video Subsystem v1.1.2, which says it requires IRIX 6.5.21+ and OpenML 1.1 or later...
DVS released an SDK for the DM6 that has some code widgets <as well as several more tools>. I've been able to use one of the SDK widgets to get a test pattern display on an analog broadcast monitor, but until I run across something to provide an SD video feed to the DM6, that's as far as I got.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:50 pm
by smj
Ah, I'll add "flash status" to the hinv guidelines! This might explain the issues with the L1 commands from IRIX, as described here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16721896

Interesting that the machine's running 6.5.18m, yet they updated the PROM to something post-FCS of 6.5.30 - guess it was under maintenance, or some sysadmin took these things seriously. I'll have to see about downgrading, inwhich case this thread (thanks again recondas) will be handy too: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16721376

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001a01-L1>flash status                                                   
Flash image B currently booted                                           
                                                                         
Image      Status        Revision    Built                               
-----   -------------   ----------   -----                               
  A     valid           1.44.4       09/25/2006 13:05:01                 
  B     default         1.44.4       09/25/2006 13:05:01                 
001a01-L1>

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:07 pm
by recondas
smj wrote:Ah, I'll add "flash status" to the hinv guidelines! This might explain the issues with the L1 commands from IRIX, as described here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16721896
Interesting that the machine's running 6.5.18m, yet they updated the PROM to something post-FCS of 6.5.30 - guess it was under maintenance, or some sysadmin took these things seriously. I'll have to see about downgrading, but that might be tricky...
The 6.5.18 installation is indeed interesting. IRIX support for the Fuel only began at 6.5.17 <undoubtedly with 500 and maybe 600MHz processors>. Makes you wonder when 700MHz Fuel support got added. Other IP35 systems with 700MHz processors - like the O350 - didn't get added until 6.5.21 <as was the DM6>. Your call, but I think I'd leave the L1 firmware alone and do a clean install on a different drive <then you can mount and mine the original drive at your leisure>.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:18 pm
by smj
recondas wrote:The 6.5.18 installation is indeed interesting. IRIX support for the Fuel only began at 6.5.17 <undoubtedly with 500 and maybe 600MHz processors>. Makes you wonder when 700MHz Fuel support got added. Other IP35 systems with 700MHz processors - like the O350 - didn't get added until 6.5.21 <as was the DM6>.

I've seen some indication that some apps were migrated from earlier installations on an Octane. Unlikely to have been a physical disk swap given the connectors involved (HD68 for Fuel, SCA for Octane), but it wouldn't be the first time somebody gronked up an install to migrate an app that was only certified/working with a particular release.

recondas wrote:Your call, but I think I'd leave the L1 firmware alone and do a clean install on a different drive <then you can mount and mine the original drive at your leisure.

This strikes me as sound advice. All my fast/big drives are SCA, but I do have a 4.5GB Atlas drive with HD68...

And hey, given that the L1 is already flashed with 1.44, I guess there's no reason not to go for 6.5.30! :D

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:23 pm
by recondas
smj wrote:All my fast/big drives are SCA, but I do have a 4.5GB Atlas drive with HD68...
There's always SCA to 68-pin adapters <if you have to buy one, if possible look for something that supports U160/LVD>.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:29 am
by smj
Two quick additions:

1) With a fresh 6.5.30 install, the IRIX L1 command utility seems to be working fine.
2) The forums look good in Mozilla 1.0.1, and I'm using the Fuel to post this.

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IRIS 16# uname -aR
IRIX64 IRIS 6.5 6.5.30f 07202013 IP35
IRIS 17# l1cmd flash status
Flash image B currently booted

Image      Status        Revision    Built
-----   -------------   ----------   -----
  A     valid           1.44.4       09/25/2006 13:05:01
  B     default         1.44.4       09/25/2006 13:05:01
IRIS 18#

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:40 pm
by recondas
smj wrote:I've got an Audigy (SB090) and an Adaptec DuoConnect (USB+FW) on order for now.
When that DuoConnect arrives I'd suggest skipping over the 1.0.1 DM10 software release and instead install the DM10 1.1 beta release <some notes on my experience with both are in this thread>. The 1.1 beta seems a little harder to locate, but it's worth the effort.

BTW - did the new IRIX install change the status of the LSI 22320-R UltraSCSI 320 controller <it appeared as "unknown" in your original hinv>?

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Integral SCSI controller 2: Version unknown (30)
Integral SCSI controller 3: Version unknown (30)

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:21 am
by smj
recondas wrote:BTW - did the new IRIX install change the status of the LSI 22320-R UltraSCSI 320 controller <it appeared as "unknown" in your original hinv>?

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Integral SCSI controller 2: Version unknown (30)
Integral SCSI controller 3: Version unknown (30)

Unfortunately when setting up the Fuel I removed the 22320 before I thought to check this thread. I've got 6.5.22 running (upgraded from 6.5.19) so I could validate the GCC installation procedure - on an IBM/Seagate ST373453LC 73GB 15,000 RPM SCA drive with an SCA <-> HD68 adapter, to one of your earlier points. I reinstalled the 22320 but it wasn't even partially recognized under this installation of 6.5.22.

If I get a chance I'll toss the 6.5.30 system disk in one more time just to see what the story is.

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:37 am
by devv
(Just for cross-referencing purposes -- DM6 base support file + SDK archive location can be found in:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=16730629&p=7389723#p7389723)

Re: Fuel: 700 MHz, 4GB RAM, V12, GigE, 2xU320, DM6

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:48 am
by Geoman
Beautiful Fuel in great shape !